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the death of this genre has been eerily absolute. was the marriage of electronic/dub/hiphop/d&b to crooning female vocals a mere gimmick? the disappearance of most musical phenomena consists of gradual evolution into a different sound. triphop seemed to just wink out of existence. portishead's eponymous 1998 release was a mediocre elegy, and whatever imitators they spawned died out pretty quicky (lamb stuck it out to 2001 with "what sound"). the slow, psychadelic fat beats thing is trite, okay, but the opportunities for mixing an electronic sound with loaded vocals are still vast, and aren't really explored, it seems like. bjork is dabbling.. radiohead reached an apex with kid a (imo) and gradually retreated back to their rock hole.. plaid has a few tracks with good vocals which i dig, but the landscape seems kinda barren otherwise. unless i'm missing something major? the electronic producer + mournful singer marriage produced some beautiful offspring -- remember, portishead, massive attack (w. liz fraser, tracy horn, nicolette), lamb, morcheeba, moloko, everythign but the girl, mono, sneaker pimps, hooverphonic, tricky (w. martina topley-bird), etc. |
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I hope you're right. I've always hated trip hop and any comparisons between bands I like and it. |
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hm. on an unrelated note, i've just been reading your webpage. a few comments: Second, and most importantly, the status quo as it is today is far from terrible. Especially in America, life is damn good even for the lowest classes. Compared to most third-world countries, America, even in its lowest state, is like a paradise. try telling that to over 44 million americans without healthcare. I like the idea of being able to create one’s own future and to go from rags to riches. yeah, you know, because higher education is so widely available to americans. and that both bush sr and jr got into the whitehouse is indicative of their immense talent. there is no oligarchy in america. nevermind that the wealthiest 1 percent of families owns roughly 39 percent of total net wealth, the top 10% of families owns over 72%, and the bottom 40% of the population owns less than 1%. Once ... my house is wired with surveillance cameras, then I’ll have something to complain about. from EFF analysis of the patriot act: "FBI and CIA can now go from phone to phone, computer to computer without demonstrating that each is being used by a suspect or target of an order, or even specifically identifying the person targeted. The government may now serve a single Title III wiretap, FISA wiretap or pen/trap order on any person or entity nationwide, regardless of whether that person or entity is named in the order. The government need not make any showing to a court that the particular information or communication to be acquired is relevant to a criminal investigation. In the pen/trap or FISA situations, they do not even have to report where they served the order or what information they received. " |
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Why do I embrace the status quo? Because it’s fine the way things are. "...when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their security." from the US Declaration of Independence. Right now, in July of 2003, things are not too bad in America. We’re free, for one thing. Free to go to a bar or to church or are free to make music and free to say whatever we want. to which i can only quote bill hicks: "So there, we have figured it out, go back to bed America, your government has figured out how it all transpired. Go back to bed America, your government is in control again. Here, here's American Gladiators. Watch this, shut up. Go back to bed America, here's American Gladiators. Here's 56 channels of it. Watch these pituitary retards bang their fuckin skulls together and congratulate you on living in the land of freedom. Here you go America, you are free... to do as we tell you. You are free, to do as we tell you." |
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There are so many simple pleasures in life that people miss out on. Taking a bike ride in the evening. you're a texan, so this one is especially appropriate. from lance armstrong (winner of the tour de france for three consecutive times): "On Friday, he met with members of the congressional Bike Caucus in Washington, lamenting Austin's lightning growth and traffic problems. "A city like Austin is growing so much, cycling is ruined there," he told U.S. Rep. Lloyd Doggett, D-Austin, and other members of the group. "In just 10 years -- ruined. A place like Boulder, Colorado, is just ruined, also."" um, and -- since i can't resist -- another tidbit about unemployment: bush's term as president saw the worst unemployment crisis since the great depression. "During the last full month before Bush took office in January 2001, the unemployment rate was 3.9 percent. In February 2004, the official U.S. unemployment rate rose to 5.6 percent—representing 8.2 million unemployed workers." er, and just today the head of the CIA resigned -- "Last July Mr Tenet accepted full responsibility for unsubstantiated allegations about Iraq's weapons programme being included in Mr Bush's State of the Union address." as of today, 929 coalition troops have died in iraq. the number of dead iraqis is yet to be determined. |
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Agreed. There is no more juice in the trip-hop genre, IMO. But they gave me some real good records and memories in the 90s. I found the first (and best) Lamb album at a discount yesterday. Made me happy. |
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happy cycling: hahahahah! mess with the americans! do it! dooo it! topic-wise: trip-hop is over its top, and now, only "classics" stand out as worth getting from this genre because anyone who experiments with it further falls into glitch or idm or something... |
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"the slow, psychadelic fat beats thing is trite" isn't that statement pretty general? Lots of groups use slow, psychadelic fat beats, as you call them... the beats don't make the music suck... |
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if you're hungering for the lost marriage of lady vox and electronica, check: dntel - life is full of possibilities. mum - finally we are no one. kudos on the website-bashing, happy cycling. I like the idea of being able to create one’s own future and to go from rags to riches. The american dream - the myth of universal social mobility - has the most toxic effect on american politics. People would not tolerate the tax breaks for the top 1% if they realised how closed and inaccessible the millionaires' club actually is. |
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well I mean the fact that the beats are slow don't determine the value of a particular genre is what I meant... |
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<80 bpm = trip hop = fact! |
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boc is trip hop |
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I still like the Mo Wax Headz album, thats well trip hop. And Portishead did some great stuff. And DJ Shadow did great stuff. So you are wrong. Ah well. |
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i disagree completely and see such a statement as short sighted. there's been fuck all decent trip hop for a few years, yes, but this doesn't mean it's dead. sneaker pimps have an album around the corner, and then there's chris's "I AM X" project; there's a realplayer file available to download of one of the songs from the album, "kiss and swallow". it's great trip hop if you ask me, looking forward to the release. massive attack's recent release is pretty good, too. trip hop isn't dead. |
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trip-hop has been dead and/or shithouse since 2000..... |
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dunno... i like martina topley-bird's solo album... ' _ ' i only got into trip-hop lately, so far i have only well-known stuff (but great nonetheless imo)... |
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eh. bloodsport was released in 2002, sneaker pimps's best album yet. massive attack's 100th window was released last year. not their best, but still pretty damn good. the genre isn't dead. it's been sleeping a lot though, yes... |
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while we're here, anybody want to suggest some decent trip hop artists? i've got most stuff by: sneaker pimps, portishead, sneaker pimps, mono, portishead, massive attack, moloko, hooverphonic, lamb, tricky. i don't count things like morcheeba; the style is distinctly different from what i call decent trip-hop. actually, now i think of it, there has been a lot of shit 'trip-hop' releases recently. i'm not going to let that bias the genre, though. i want the i am x album to come out already. |
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trip hop is a very subjective genre. i really don't consider DJ Shadow and Massive Attack to be trip-hop. lumping such influential and original artists into such a tight much-maligned pigeon hole just ain't fair |
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if BOC are trip-hop then i like trip-hop but if morcheeba are trip-hop then i don't like trip-hop morcheeba is coffee-table, style mag shite |
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I see BOC,Prefuse 73 and Machine Drum as trip hop and this is some of my favourite music ever, also old stuff like Beaumont Hannant has trip hop elements, basically hip hop without the vocals and more atmospheric sounds = trip hop to me. I actually hate all the bands that Happy Cycling listed (especially Morcheeba and Portishead) apart from Massive Attack, because they are what I think of as coffee table/wine bar music. |
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I thought trip hop was just hip-hop beats slowed down... which always seemed stupid to me cause why do you need to call it another genre? IT's just slow hip-hop... |
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trip hop usually has a (female) vocalist aargh I just remembered another terrible trip-hop act: Kosheen that kind of triphop is blandness incarnate |
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xf > i haven't checked it out yet but someone recommended me these: The Aloof - Sinking DJ Krush - Strictly Turntablized, Meiso et Krush Ramshackle - Nighmares on Wax - Smokers Delight Funki Porcini : Hed Phone Sex DJ Food : a recipe for disaster Olive - Extra Virgin Nicolette - Let No One Live Rent Free in Your Head Lamb - Lamb Wagon Christ - Throbbing Pouch Luke Vibert - Big Soup Palmskin Production - Andrea Parker - all EPs on Mo'Wax Attica Blues - all EPs, and the self-titled album Moloko - Do You Like My Tight Sweater? Sneaker Pimps - Becoming X La Funk Mob - again, all EPs, on Mo'Wax Kruder & Dorfmeister - Conversions DJ Vadim - USSR Repertoire :The Theory of Verticality Statik Sound Sytem - Tempesta The Herbalizer - Remedies, Blow your Headphon, Session One |
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*them |
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machine drum ,prefuse 73 and boc...they aren't trip hop as far as i know. machine drum is experimental hip hop,prefuse is instrumental hip hop and boc are psychedelic smtn (breakbeat or hip hop beatz). |
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a lot of good stuff mentioned here is just hip hop... trip hop IS dead, but the impetus behind trip hop was there long before trip hop ever came along... which is why we don't miss it all that much and are capable of citing lots of albums that share the sensibility... tricky will be missed, though... that guy crafted the most amazing persona... it's so hard to listen to his new stuff, and then think about all the classic albums he put out... :*( |
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TripHop is a stupid label. Useful, but stupid. I think TripHop is like an equation: If Dub quotient > 30% and vocals = yes and BPM < 90 and compressed drum samples = yes and hip-hop beat pattern similarity > 80% and white audience > black audience then TripHop = yes and we just lost the taste for that recipe. It will come back. |
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it can never come back, because the equation building blocks change constantly... the things we visit are retro or "neo" because they can't be what they once were, it's impossible |
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Hmmm... true to a point. But something very much like Trip-Hop will return some day, albeit with one factor or two tweaked somehow. |
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well if you aren't expecting it to be exactly the same, but rather simply to have taken on the sentiments and ideas... well there's a fair amount of rock (along the lines of the beta band... not a great example, but there are better ones i can't think of right now) and hip hop (like anticon), and electronic (four tet, telefon tel aviv, twine) that fits that description... |
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i'll say it again, sneaker pimps are releasing an album soon! |
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Yeah, I know that Trip-Hop has filtered into a lot of different stuff as an "element." And that's good. Same with shoegazing rock. But you're right, the pure forms will never really return and be the same level that they were at first. |
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NOW Carboot was the last good trip hop I heard |
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Yeah, kudos on the website bashing happy cycling.. That's real mature, take a stab at me for a crappy essay I wrote a couple years ago and happened to forget was actually online, completely bypass the topic at hand, try to make yourself look clever at my expense, and disregard my comment. That aside, your arguments point out the obvious flaws in American society but in defense of my shitty, sophomoric essay.. you ignored my main theses which were a) if you're a whiny member of the burgeoise, life is not as bad as it could be and b) that life in America is better than in most third world countries.. not that it's perfect. You can tell me about all the traffic problems and underrepresentation of the lower classes and myths of social mobility all you want, but I'd still rather be a peasant here than in Nepal or Ghana. I'm under no illusions that my writing at that time and even now is to some extent under-researched and naive, but then again that's why I didn't bring attention to it on this board. |
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uviol, i'm sorry if it came across as a diversion. i just clicked on your profile and visited your website after your reply, as i didn't recall ever reading your posts before. i didn't note anything that indicated it was older. anyhow, i'm glad your opinions have changed somewhat. i don't think america is the great satan or anything either, but things aren't exactly exuberant in america these days, and i firmly believe an attitude of constructive criticism is somehow more laudable than docile acceptance. |
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Any moribund genre can be easily revitalized by a generous helping of banjo. |
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Indeed, my opinions have changed somewhat since the time I wrote that.. and I guess I shouldn't be so scandalized that you simply read and commented on something I actually had the misdirected courage to post. Anyway, thanks for the reply. I shouldn't have been so offended I suppose, I should just get smart and not post my biased ramblings online if I don't want people to disagree. But yeah, I haven't been on the board much recently.. this topic caught my eye because I always thought trip hop was overhyped.. it's interesting to think it might be dying out. |
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some songs from think thank (blur) are quite trip hopish imo. |
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