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bill_hicks
from my city is amazing it is calle on 2004-06-02 07:21 [#01219242]
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An idm geek thought sprung to mind. A lot of the more avant garde electronica like autechre, etc just seems to be clikcking and glitches and shit like that. I used to like autechre round about incunubulathingy but confield totally flummaxed me. It was shit - or so i thought. No rythmn, no discernible melodies or tunes, just a bunch of machine noises rattling. I thought to myself - these guys are either very clever or just a couple of stoners fucking about.
Do their songs(?) actually program your mind to think that they are good? are these glitches some sort of code that alters the thoughts in your head? It's the only explanation i can come up with because in my opinion confield was a lot of pretentious pish. I get constipated just thinking about listening to it again. what a pile of wank that album is. Emperor's new clothes indeed. ahmm saying...
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-06-02 07:23 [#01219244]
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the short answer: yes.
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-06-02 07:25 [#01219248]
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It's no longer called IDM. It is now called "lapdance".
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-06-02 07:28 [#01219251]
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then he's a lapdance-geek, which undoubtedly sounds better than IDM-geek!
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bill_hicks
from my city is amazing it is calle on 2004-06-02 07:35 [#01219261]
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Park the car at the side of the road You should know Time's tide will smother you And I will too When you laugh about people who feel so Very lonely Their only desire is to die Well, I'm afraid It doesn't make me smile I wish I could laugh
But that joke isn't funny anymore It's too close to home And it's too near the bone It's too close to home And it's too near the bone More than you'll ever know ...
Kick them when they fall down Kick them when they fall down You kick them when they fall down Kick them when they fall down You kick them when they fall down Kick them when they fall down You kick them when they fall down Kick them when they fall down
It was dark as I drove the point home And on cold leather seats Well, it suddenly struck me I just might die with a smile on my Face after all
I've seen this happen in other people's Lives And now it's happening in mine
I've seen this happen in other people's Lives And now it's happening in mine
I've seen this happen in other people's Lives And now it's happening in mine
I've seen this happen in other people's Lives And now it's happening in mine Oh ...
I've seen this happen in other people's Lives Oh ... And now it's happening in mine Happening in mine Happening in mine Happening in mine Happening in mine
I've seen this happen in other people's Lives Oh ... And now, now, now it's happening in mine (I've seen this happen) Happening in mine Oh... now, now
I've seen this happen in other people's Lives Oh ... And now it's happening in mine (Happen) Happening in mine Oh ... Happening in mine Happening in mine Happening in mine
I've seen this happen in other people's Lives Oh ... And now, now, now it's happening in mine Happening in mine Mine, mine Happening in mine
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-06-02 07:36 [#01219263]
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HAHAHAHAHAAHH!
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VLetr
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-06-02 07:41 [#01219273]
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Viva le IDM geek thoughts!
It always takes a while to wrap your head around extreme glitchy stuff. Some people never get their head around it. I think the process of getting your head 'around' such abstract rhythms is one of extracting order from the apparent randomness, working out the rules of the song as a system.
So in a sense, your mind is being 'programmed' to think that it's good, because the longer you are exposed to the abstract rhythm, the better able you become to separate the backbone of the rhythm from the arrhythmical chaff. Once it becomes comprehensible, it becomes enjoyable.
See: the systemising thread.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-06-02 07:44 [#01219276]
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music is an aestethic thing, not a mathematical equation. if you like it, you like it, if you don't, you shouldn't pressure yourself through endless sessions of listening simply because you think there is meaning in it. Music is about feelings and emotions, not the mind. FUCK THE MIND! FUCK MIDI!
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VLetr
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-06-02 07:49 [#01219285]
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of course there is no meaning in it. we imbue meaning in it because that is what our minds do, they see patterns in everything. they're especially attuned to detecting change, and music is full of change.
Music is about feelings and emotions, not the mind.
So where do feelings and emotions occur? Hmm, Mr Drunken Philosopher? ;)
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-06-02 07:53 [#01219293]
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to me, the mind is nothing more than a communication device between your soul (not in the traditional sense of the word, more as the collection of your "feelings." the "primal" being) and your thoughts (which, IMO, can't possibly come from a grey blob with electricity in it). The brain recieves instructions and send the necessary electrical impulses for the action to be performed. Much like a computer.. the computer is CAPABLE of performing THOUSANDS of mathematical operations, but you have to TELL it to do it first.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-06-02 07:54 [#01219294]
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whoops: the first sentence is supposed to read "[...] the BRAIN is nothing more [...]"
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bill_hicks
from my city is amazing it is calle on 2004-06-02 07:57 [#01219302]
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ah..it makes perfect sense now. i was concerned for a second.
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VLetr
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-06-02 07:58 [#01219303]
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thoughts (which, IMO, can't possibly come from a grey blob with electricity in it)
We are coming from very different premise sets here then. To be honest, I don't really have the stamina for a big neuro/consciousness debate today. So let's just shake hands and decide what our favourite autechre track du jour is!
Me: drane (peel session 1)
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-06-02 08:00 [#01219307]
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Wrong.
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victorash
from Bucharest (Romania) on 2004-06-02 08:47 [#01219378]
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I find Confield very musical and elaborated. Well, I have a problem with AE&Hafler Trio colaboration :)
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