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bump ? cant believe these magnificent pics are not discussed !!! SHAME ON YOU< LAZY TWATS |
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the Ken (sword) arts of japan are too rigid for me. I fail to find the aestethics of them when they are in katas and competitions as well as Ken-do... |
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well, you should have one in hand. real or bamboo, no matter which one - when you grab it, the voice inside your head screams like " HIT ! HIT !" |
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I've tried it, yes. It was more like "HIT! HIT! oh, I can't hit because there are rules, and the moves are too rigid" |
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they are not too rigid, the've had grown on over thousand years of tradition in wsword fights. believe me, with a knowledge of few basic move you can move as you want to, the word " rigid " is only in your head. besides, i really like to feel when my body moves with special route, when i know i need to hit at special moment, its very very nice feeling. no to compare to anything. |
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well.. I've seen, like professional kendo fights, and I wasn't impressed. They didn't seem to be able to bend their joints at all... rigid poses which I can't imagine does anything to you but drain your strength... |
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Kenjutsu only has rules in so far as the rules of physics. "whats the best way to receive a certain kind of cut given particular circumstances" However you must master tha kata in order to break the kata and become truly creative. Just as our fave artists must absolutely be familar with their machines before they can really let loose with them. Thats why its a martial "art". Some kenjutu schools became so refined the cuts were only ever to the opponents thumbs. Others kept their brutal battlefield movements - maximum damage in the shortest time. Thats waht i do but it still remains artistic ven if it is more "realistic". |
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All the swords look nice to me. I can't appreciate the cultural significance of them however. Is there some difference between curved swords and straight ones? What about engravings or the style of the hilts? What main diffrences are there between this kendo style and, say, Chinese swordplay? BTW How long have you been practicing this? |
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martial arts needs to be with hands and feet... anyone can kill someone else with a sword! |
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you don't always have to learn the kata to surpass the kata. to add mythology to the sentence, you don't have to go through tiger to become dragon (this is true "mythology," (in the linguistic sense of the word) not just karate-kid-mumbo-jumbo). The katas CAN help you, but they can also be restrictive, but the main issue of my post (although explained a bit poorly) was that when I see people doing ken katas and fights, as opposed to people doing kung-fu katas and fights, the ken moves are more rigid, and I can't find the same aestethics as in the kung-fu moves (circles and small details). (yes, I know: no-one would really fight as they do in a kata or pretend-fight (to do so would be stupid), but that's not the issue) |
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hyakusen. i saw an excellent documentary once following the carreer of a particular japanese kendo guy who only started whene he retired at age 60. He was 70 in the doc. and was going for a really important exam that he had failed the past few years in a row. It was amazing just to see this guys really trying and doing something he really enjoyed at such a late age. It really showed how it was all about spirit. On the flip side, it showed a younger man going for the same exam who was doing it for his son who had a terminal disease. This guy put every bit of hope he had in passing the exam before his kid died and it was a bit disturbing to see the pressure he put himself under. He failed. |
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Have you seen the movie Taboo? |
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"martial arts needs to be with hands and feet" not if you're studying old battlefield styles then you have swords, halbards, bows, axes, chains ete etc "anyone can kill anyone with a sword" A baby can shoot you with a gun. Does that mean people should give up firearms practice? Drunken Mastah: Kendo is a sport with rules. Saying its rigid and comparing it to other stuff is like saying ice-hockey is too icey when you like golf. |
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"Kendo is a sport with rules. Saying its rigid and comparing it to other stuff is like saying ice-hockey is too icey when you like golf." no, it is a martial art, as you so many times have stated yourself (I'm not talking only about kendo.. I say Ken, 'cause that would involve all the sword-arts of japan). To compare it to an more closely related art, Aikido (which at least is japanese) has more of the fluid and nice moves that makes a martial art aestethically pleasing (although it focuses a TAD too much on pure damage...). |
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well i practice kendo for more than half year the curve in the line of blade is maded to make weapon more...deadly ? straight swords were not too effitient, they are not too flexible, which you can feel when you use them and then use curved ones. engravings were like the signs of the plave where the blades were done. every katana made by blaksmith had a engraving near tsuba, 9 tsuba is the part that covers your fingers )., sometimes, beneath so you could see it only after you would de-compose katanea ( it has several parts which should be conserved separately ) the best blades have had engravings also on saya ( the sheath ) and sometimes, on blade , but most of the most beautiful swords were ceremonial ones - used rarely and only by highest ranks officers, generals and such. hamon line ( the sinusoidal one you can see on blade ) was a reminiscence of a production process, its because steel had to be harden in special way, which was known only by blasksmiths, the more "soft hamon" - the better sword. |
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hehe, sorry... really just meant to say I find martial arts with hands and feet more intresting personally... well at least a combo of both hands and feet type, and weapons type... a friend of mine has a 2nd degree black belt in tae kwon do, but he did weapons training a bit too I believe! |
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KEY - Kendo is a martial art, not sport like i said, its the people who made it more sport than art, i will probably never go to any competition ( once i take a part in one, but iut was Kiai tournament ( secnod place !! ) the competitions can kill everything, even old spirit. and about difference - i dont know chinese art to well, but i studied japan ones - the sword arts were only for the highest society - it was full of social etiquettes, so the rules are straight from the etiquetes, well sort of. i agree that chinese sword arts are more...flexible when you see them, but really, its not about way of mocing ( tho it is important 0 - its allways about what do you have in head, and how are you going to use it. the best master is the master who never fights. |
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i was pesonally trained by sempai Shizuka Takahashi, a great women from japan, 5 dan kendo, 6 dan iaido. she said one important thing once : "katte ute - utte katsuna" which means : "win , then strike - do not strike to win ! " |
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"the best master is the master who never fights." haha! like "the highest form of swordfight is when the sword is absent from both hand AND heart!" well.. although it IS true in a way (to avoid conflict is always the preferred way to take), there are also misleading words that come from the old ways of saying things in japan.. metaphors are used unwittingly (simply because the words have multiple meanings), and often confuse people. |
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yes , thats why i took only those literal quotes to my mind |
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sempai shizuka takahashi |
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and this we have been doing at christmas keiko ( training ) |
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you think its easy ? no way, hose :) only few baloons from over 30 were destroyed. |
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hyakusen.. sorry... i know kendo is more than a "sport". Apologies. Nice snaps! . i emailed you some pictures to post if you can! cheers! |
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will post them in a minute :) its good you have had a tsuba in your bokken - last time when i did the thing like showed at picture i've had cutted skin on hand :) |
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absolutely! we also have bokkens with home-made plastic saya (scabards) |
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ha i was looking for saya in my town, but since sword art are not very popular its impossible to get them can you send me the recipe for making the one ? |
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Simply just get some suitably sized piping heated until its bendable then shaped for the bokken. Some of my friends made them. My teacher is insterested in differend kinds of tachi and katana. I'm personally very unfussy - it its long, metal and sharp, its a sword to me! |
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