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...hasn't anyone ever made a standard that whilst backwardly compatible with Midi is actually a lot more "plug and play" to use? You know, single cable/connector for send/recieve/thru, automatically detects channel clashes and reassigns devices accordingly, etc? |
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what the hell are you talking about, ceri? |
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I accept/understand by the nature of simplifying it there would be an element of a loss of fine control for real pros (for example, they may want several midi outs to clash), but for your averagbe user it'd be heaven sent. Most people just want a link between sequencers & synths and also midi controllers to synths/sequencers. |
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I know, how stupid of me to talk about midi on an electronic music board... I suppose I should of made a thread about potatoes instead. It would have gotten more replies. |
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Yowch! I didn't say you were stupid, I just asked what the hell you were talking about! Don't be so defensive! |
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I think Yamaha started doing Firewire connections. MIDI is cool but quite dated. A new standard is definetely needed. |
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I wasn't having a go at you, merely observing that despite there being at least 3 midi savvy people online, none of them decided to comment, whereas dozens of people have made/participated in nonsense threads in the past 24hrs. This doe not include your hunt/fireside chat threads. They are pure class. I thought there might be some genuine reason for us still having to use a bloody horrendous protocol like midi and that they could shed some light on it :) On a more serious note, if some midi guru can spare a half an hour on AIM/MSN/SS to help me solve my midi woes, I would be most grateful. |
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Yes, firewire/usb2 (not sure what the latency is like with the latter) connections would be ideal. |
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how could you use a cable as tru, in and out at the same time? |
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The cable wouldn't, theoretically, howver, there could be two sets of twisted pair (with one half of a pair redundant) all in the same outer sheath cable and there would only need to be one connector. On devices that only had, say, midi out, the other wires would simply not be used, although the connection would be the same. |
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Usb and firewire can send multiple messages across the line, and do it without picking up all the interference that midi does. MIDI only transmits a few on off messages and needs 5 pins and a bulky interface. |
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So has anyone ever sampled a "PANIC" Loop? Those things can scare the hell out of you. |
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I think midi is great as it is, if a new standard was to be introduced it would be much more of a pain in the ass for people who own midi hardware. A simmilar problem would be the Gate/CV interface on the old Rolands etc, which was discontinued & now some classic bits of hardware are suffering from having to rely on dodgy interfaces to convert the data. I think midi should be left alone........ maybe? =: s ....... altho, if it was done correctly it could be very interesting. I suppose it all depends. |
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i dont really know THAT much about midi ceri so i hope your not pissed i didnt respond, thats assuming you presumed i was midi savvy... which i wish i was. i just have an evolution on a usb... does the job, however im not quite sure what your trying to get at by your query |
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ive been wanting a midi merging device since forever .. |
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musicians seem to like old stuff like MIDI, Atari's, etc so any new standards are unlikely to take hold easily USB/Firewire would make a lot of sense though. I think you can get USB keyboards for driving PC-based samplers etc software now ... |
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ceri, probably note really on the same path but, if your using fruityloops you should check out the dashboard. ive made dashboards that enable me to cross synths together. its also great for outboard gear. you simply design a dashboard to match the schemantics of your synth. |
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I always thought MIDI was a really bad version of a song which sounded like it cost 1p to make :D |
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That's why it should be backwardly compatible :P Teapot: I knew you weren't a big midi h/w interfacing chap, I just thought you might of learnt more of it recently with your max/msp work (max is a lot of midi, right?) Hepburnenthorpe: I was aware of that feature, but I've not used it yet. Thanks for the reminder though, I may well use that for something I'm looking to buy soon... To everyone: Sorry, re-reading this thread now I've calmed down a bit and it I really didn't make it clear what my technical problem was, I turned it into a general midi (no pun intended) rant. I suppose my original question/statement should have been: I'm having a lot of difficulties getting an electribe to receive Sysex data from my PC. I know the midi port of my soundcard works okay, well, "midi in" does at least, my phat boy midi controller works fine with it. Also, I have managed to successfully dump the electribe's current data to the PC (via the program midi-ox). Now however, I want to send a sysex file from the PC to the electribe. I've read and re-read the electribe manual and I'm sure it's okay that end- it's certainly receiving data- when I hit send on the PC the electribe's screen changes to show midi is coming in. However, about 1/8th of the way through the file, midi ox gives the following error: "Sysex Output Devices: The Port is transmitting data to the device. Wait until the data has been transmitted, and then try again." Now, the only output I have set in midi-ox is "midi UART" and looking at the indicator "leds" within midi-ox it's only sending the data to the electribe, but the error message suggests something else is trying to access that same midi channel? I've checked the midi-ox help file and yahoo electribe group topics, but to no avail. I'm off to bed now, but if anyone can shed some light on this/where to look for help, please post it here and I'd be most greatful. I've spent hours and hours on this and I know it'll be something really simple/obvious to fix |
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Cheers for any help :) |
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"To everyone: Sorry, re-reading this thread now I've calmed down a bit" HA HA HA!! very good. you're quite a character, Ceri. :) |
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im pretty sure that usb2/firewire are far overcapable for evenmany midi signals concurrently....remember midi signals are very very low bandwidth..... of course usb2/firewire would work....so would usb1.0 |
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My midi keyboard is usb1. |
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well as for latency on USB 2, it should be better than FireWire: FireWire 400 is (surprisingly) 400Mbps USB 2 is 480Mbps |
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damn, i fucked up it's not Mbps, it's MB/sec |
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" Since the MIDI data transmission rate (31.5 kBaud) is different from ANY computer data rate, manufacturers had to design a MIDI interface to allow the computer to talk at MIDI's speed. " yeah work it out assuiming this baud rate = bit rate (not allways, often encoding means more bits per baud) its fucking nothing |
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hehehe...... sorry, your right........ I am obviously backward compatible =D |
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oscillik wrote: "damn, i fucked up it's not Mbps, it's MB/sec" No - it is Mbps. For some weird reason though, FireWire 400 is faster than USB 2 [480] anyway... Ceri JC: Roland has "simplified midi" on their newest products like the the V-synth for instance, it connects to a computer via usb 1. |
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not according to this it isn't |
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So you would like to program the drum patterns in a computer sequencer, then transmit the data into the memory of the electribe? If you sync'ed the two, then hit play on computer sequencer as electribe starts recording, it should input the data as tho you were hitting the pads i think. |
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i don`t see anything wrong with it as is... |
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No, but judging by your name you're probably quite old school and have grown up with it... I think kids into abseiling/climbing who can't backsplice a frayed climbing rope (you can melt the end instead, with new ones) are missing a serious skill, but from their POV the problem is redundant and hence so is the workaround :) |
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oscillik: ok, here it goes: MB= MegaByte Mb= Megabit (8 bits= 1 Byte) 400 Mbit/s= 50 MegaBytes/s 480 Mbit/s= 60 MegaBytes/s |
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thanks for the correction mate :) now i'm more knowledgeable thanks to you |
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