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Yeah, so I read somewhere that the crazy things that monks can do while meditating (like drying a soaking wet, cold towel on their bodies, just from body heat) is a result of not masturbating. Does anyone have any info on this? |
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giving up masturbation isn't worth the parlour tricks |
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yes its a fact. its called 'fire yoga' ive got a little bit of experience in it myself .. if im walking around in the cold i can warm up my hands by focusing on them from what i can gather it has a lot to do with circulation |
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Well to get by with not masturbating they get a little boy to give them 'loving'. |
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hmmm so you donr relieve the soldier? |
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wrong religion |
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basically a meditator/yogi can direct their focus to any part of the body, and can minimise pain, warm things up, strengthen them, relax them, etc .. i guess this is what is meant by qi .. |
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"strengthen them" like meditate, and get buff from it? |
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im thinking more about the martial artists who get planks smashed over their heads and other parts of the body :) |
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ah and like, when they push a car with a spear, with the point on their throat do you know what it is about not masturbating that allows this to happen? |
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allthough i guess you could use that shit to get a job at the towel drying plant that just opened up |
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meditation is quite powerful. to relax i do some minor meditations and its quite effective when trying to sleep/clear your thoughts etc.. now imagine it on such a great scale, thats awesome |
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Nah, it's somewhere in Tibet or something. They are monks I think that have love slave boys? Shit, I forgot where I saw this. |
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abstinance is part of strong mental discipline. its not necessary, more a spiritual thing. some sadus tie knots in their genitals to prevent sexual thoughts crossing their mind .. |
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that doesnt affect it does it? the knot tieing? anyways, do you have any links? google just gives me unrelated things, and many "join this yoga club for 60 bucks!" stuff... |
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i dont know what the knot tying does long term .. but im assuming theyd undo it to go to the toilet hehe sorry i dont have links at the moment .. this is all off the top of my head .. but meditation and qi are probably subjects to analyse .. i know they dont come up with particularly useful searches either .. my teacher has written outstanding books that explain meditation. i can send details if you become interested. |
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i have an appointment with the master at a local wushu academy on tuesday. i guess i should stop whacking it if i want to be like neo. |
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And how the fuck do they prove the monks aren't masturbating...what a stupid topic. Matt you should be ashamed...drop your head and ask for forgiveness from phobia for posting such shit. |
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it's a well established fact. everyone knows this. |
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they got thos things like poopa scoops and they go round the monks rooms looking for cum rags |
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What! warming up hands and feet would be quite useful. For people like me in the winter. How long did it take for you to get to that stage? |
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well apparently a lot of monks are homosexuals.. . because of the religion spliting the men into monks and women into nuns.. . a lot of them see the ability to "get off" with the same sex as reason enough to stay away from the opposite sex.. . kinda silly. .. also.. . Id hate to think of the actual health risks involved in not masturbating.. . some of those guys must die of exploded prostates. .. |
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Zeus: Assuming you were serious when you asked your original question, maybe you should try to get your hands on a copy of the "Hatha Yoga Pradeepika". While this is a yogic text, there are some similarities with some schools of Buddhism e.g. both paths utilize meditation of one type or the other, both have had "super-natural" powers attributed to practioners (claivoyance, teleportation, levitation, the increase in body heat, although this last one is not really "super-natural") and both deal with Tantrism and it's application to sex. Not all schools of Buddhism or yoga have these practices or beliefs and most schools stress that these are at most a "side-effect" of following the path to Enlightenment and that they will not be gained by those who do not have Enlightenment as their goal. And of course, this is all opinion, not truth, and is definitely not necessarily MY opinion. |
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ive been meditating for 8 weeks |
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There are masturbation sutras. It can be a part of meditation. Anyway, you can easily raise body heat by focusing on your body parts, usually palms. It is nothing unusual. Point of meditation is to feel dead for a slight moment. Buddhism practices what it means to feel like dead by controling the body. |
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"ive been meditating for 8 weeks" WOHOOO!!! What kind of meditation ? |
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quite a few types .. but they all relate to each other breath, 'body asleep mind awake', sound, visual, mantra/affirmation, naming distractions and 'watching with detachment' .. in a meditation ill generally focus on sound or the visual to 'come into the present' next ill focus on the breath and scan the body to realise a focus. mantras and affirmation are good to cultivate the focus, as are any meditation objects .. finally the 'naming' and 'watching with detachment' techniques help me casually observe thoughts that arise rather than get distracted by them. |
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very interesting... (yes I was being serious) thanks for the info! |
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I've tried meditating, and I've tried T'ai Chi. The meditating-stuff, I discovered I could do on my own, so I didn't have to pay money for it. The T'ai Chi you can go to here in Bergen is nothing more than a happy-camp for hippies... it's not real T'ai Chi, it's just bullshit. If you ever want to try T'ai Chi, make sure you're not being taught by a Japanese man who speaks as if he wants to sell you sexy underwear, but all he talks about is trees. I can warm up certain parts of my body, yes, but I don't live in celibacy (spelling?). |
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t'ai chi is bollocks -- it's t'ai chi chuan you want to practice - t'ai chi is the car without the engine - pretty to look at but won't take you anywhere. About masturbation - as johnny says, it's nothing to do with being "spiritually" pure or any of that bullshit, it's merely a practical way of saving up your sexual energy, which is a vital energy source. Look at tantrick sexmagick -- that is a section devoted to the storing up of sexual energies by putting off the moment of climax for as long as possible, hours and hours -- so that when the climax comes it is mindblowing and connects the climaxer directly to whatever it is they think is there (heaven, godhead, satori etc). To masturbate or to not masturbate is just a personal choice -- you can advance and still enjoy a wank. |
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yeah. I wanted the martial arts, but they just did the hippie-stuff (it was very much like meditation, except for the sleazy japanese dude...) |
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the 'qi" is an inner energy gathered in lower part of stomach, where, due to monk religions ( all eastern almost too ), all energy of world is gathered. meditation can help you using that energy, and warmning up body parts is the smallest thing you can do with it. also, meditating can help you in general, even without using 'qi" t'ai chi - its good when you know something about eastern philosophy, and when you are even little into martial arts and stuff. for someone who never heard of it, or just dont like the stuff likr that, it wont work. also, its like Zen in moves - it can help, but the moves are not really important - what is important is what is happening in your head when u are playing in t'ai chi . thats the point. i never used t'ai chi , but i have enough energy from what im practising, so maybe someday... |
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Martial Arts were developed to strengthen monks' bodies so that they could practice meditation. If a person practices Martial Arts without the spiritual aspect of it, then they can only ever get half-way towards attainment. I have been studying and practicing Shaolin Arts on and off for about three years now (in between bouts of illness), and it does me the power of good, not only physically, but in my mental outlooks. |
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exactly. you need BOTH. what I went to was.. "oh, you must have, like.. the mind of a tree.. like... whoah! my hands are soooo big!" After all, Kung-Fu, means "Master of concentration." |
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Meditation is only for relaxing body and mind. over and out. I have lived with buddist munks for a while and been doing meditation for years, so I know this things. When you meditate you are just to fokus at you breath, nothing else. Efter some minutes you fell very calm and realaxed. =D |
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looks like your keyboard is relaxing too |
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One of the meanings of Zen is "meditation", just as one outcome of meditation is relaxation... there are many forms of meditation, and to think that the overall aim of meditation is to be "chilled out" to use modern parlance, is an offence to practicioners of meditation and is also very short-sighted -- in fact, it is a Western viewpoint -- Westernised meditation, like Westernised religion and thought, misses so much in its rejection of the truly spiritual. |
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The most common translation for Kung Fu that I've seen (and that our master taught us) means "Hard Work". Free your mind: Yes, the detachment that comes with meditation is useful to endure pain, but it's not what allows them to do their mad physical feats. The harsh physical exercise regime is what allows certain buddhist monks to do the "party tricks" like standing in horse stance for an hour at a time, break stone slabs, etc. I think a lot of people like the "idea" that you can do wild stuff just through meditating, because meditatig is a lot more pleasent than having to do physical fitness for hours every day. Also, if it's in the mind, it suggests they can master it quickly, whereas no one but a fool would think they have the physical endurance of a dedicated monk after a couple of months working out. |
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from what I gather, Fu = Old man, grandpa, master. and Kung (sometimes "gung") = will, strength, concentration. |
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I think you'll find, Ceri, that fools can do the darndest things :P Like I said before, Martial Arts were developed to physically condition monks for meditation (specifically sitting for hours in the lotus position)... I think that anyone who wants to become a serious meditator should first practice Shaolin gong-fu (Mastah -- the spelling "Kung" is the Romanticised spelling for Westerners - I always prefer using the traditional spellings myself when I can) and also Yoga -- this will help make the body supple and this in turn will help lessen its intrusion when you are meditating :) Also --- remember that to destroy the mind you first have to control it... so remember that your meditations will have to evolve -- first I would suggest that a person train their mind to focus on one thing -- one famous Chinese person attained enlightenment simply by saying "I am sweeping" as he swept the floors of the monastery which he attended (he was looked down on by most of the other novice monks who felt foolish wnen he attained enlightenment - a crucial point in Zen, which bypasses the intellect). So, to begin with, simply say "I am walking" over and over to yourself, like a mantra, when you are walking anywhere... it not only helps you to concentrate the mind on one thing (don't be put off by the fact that, at first, your mind will wander all over the place), but it will also increase your awareness of the simple things... this is the same reasoning behind the Breathing Meditations... once you have conquered the mind by whichever meditation(s) suits you best, you can then move up to higher attainments, dharma and satori et al... Zen is quite akin to Yoga in this -- Crowley's 8 Lectures In Yoga are an excellent starting point for Yoga, and Wong Kiew Kit's Complete Book of Zen is an excellent starting point for Zen. If you're seriously interested in this, read, study, and practice these two texts. |
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"Mastah -- the spelling "Kung" is the Romanticised spelling for Westerners" no, it's the difference between northern and southern china. |
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Hmm, not according to my sources it's not. |
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I prefer a living and active martial art than meditaion and stuff. I've seen the Shaolin Monk in action and while its impressive, i dodn't think you csan achieve those pohysical feats under real actual modern aggresive curcumstances - muggings, riots, pitched battles. The martial art i do (Bujinkan Budo Taijustu) is about studying the human body as it moves and comes from real battlefield conditions over a 1000 years. We learn total natural body movement (its quite like the feldinkras method) and it incorporates both sides of the same coin - breaking the body and healing it . Through this study of how to damage somebody efficiently - ideally you damage their spirit/agression, not their body unless necessary - you attain the paradox of all true martial arts. Learning how not to fight! Meditation is nice, but living a balanced active life without needing to retreat into the self is where i want to be. You can tap into the universe by being alive with it. |
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hehe 'sleazy japanese dude' i have crude images in my mind now "take off gym sorts" "but i, i want to learn to fig..." "TAKE OFF GYM SORTS" "i dont see how that will make me a better figh..." "TAKE OFF NOW, TAKE OFF NOW, AIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" "erm... ok" "mmmmmmmmm now ret me loger you nice an hard" |
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well, according to my sources, it is. The northern and southern regions of china have a slight difference in pronouncing certain words, and so, when europeans try to romanize them, they made two different ways of spelling. It's the same as the fact that englishmen can't tell the difference between a I and a Y when pronounced in norwegian. |
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hahahaha! that was about it, yes, but with more of a lisp (spelling?). I'd like to learn about pressure-points... |
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I dont think most of you never tryied medtiation, only have read some trash about it....can sitt in lotus position for hours, beleve me there is nothing mysterius about meditation, the "only" thing that will happend that you get really really calm and you feel that the seratonin levels are high as hell. Yes its true that there are a lot of diffrent kinds of meditation styles...but they are all hokus pokus=trash. Some even includ music, and thats SO WRONG! Exept the pure form of meditation that Im practising, where the only thing you do is to conentret on your breath. btw take a look at my music ;) http://www.garageband.com/artist/gardenofanarchy |
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There is no paradox to the martial art learning not to fight. And martial arts were not born to learn how to fight; they were born to make the body supple and under control for meditation. I'm sure your martial art will come in dead useful to you when you don't go off to fight hand-to-hand combats or when you don't have to fight a gang of 20 gang members in downtown Dublin. |
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"And martial arts were not born to learn how to fight" well.. the Shaolin monks developed Kung-Fu as a means of defending their temples from raiding mongols... it was initially a self-defense technique that they incorporated religious symbols into in order for them to be able and train and be holy men at the same time. |
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Actually, that came later -- they became Shaolin Monks when the Shaolin Arts were developed and taught to them... The cart goes after the horse, not before it. |
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