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Disclaimer: I'm talking about trends not rules here, I don't seek to pathologize anyone (ignore my avatar!), and I myself am an enormous fan of late period autechre (LPA) - i.e. EP7, Confield, Gantz Graf, Draft 7.30. You must have noticed it takes a bit of time before LPA songs properly make sense. Some people are better able to (or have a greater drive to) make sense of autechre songs than others; I've seen several threads about how autechre fans played LPA to their mates and found reactions of total bewilderment, perhaps even a refusal to categorise it as music at all. I think LPA tracks can be understood as a system, and coming to enjoy the music is the conscious correlate of subconsciously deriving the rules of that system. Two definitions of a system: (i) A group of interacting, interrelated, or interdependent elements forming a complex whole; or (ii) A condition of harmonious, orderly interaction. It’s hard to give concrete examples, because our musical lexicon is so limited, but generally I mean the tendency to infer order from apparent randomness; realising that the left channel ker-klonk precedes and predicts the right channel kerchunga-chonk, and from this forming a meaningful representation or map of the track’s internal logic within ones head. So what, you may be thinking. Well, I think there are certain ‘brain types’ which are better able to systemise in this way, and in their extreme forms these brain types are similar to those diagnosed with Asperger’s Syndrome (or high functioning autism). Asperger’s predominantly affects males, and Professor Baron-Cohen (my lecturer at Cambridge and, amusingly enough, uncle of Sacha Baron-Cohen aka Ali G) has done some very interesting suggesting that autism is an extreme male brain. You may also have noticed that there are very few female LPA fans. Interested to know what you think of this application of B-C's |
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work. ps I think producing electronic music involves a similar cognitive mode, which I have referred to as 'systemising'. |
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you need to go find a nice hobby. |
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true. indulge me, i'm a psychology graduate. maybe i'd be better off posting this shit on a psychology message board. hmm. but first, a totally unscientific poll. what occupations are autechre fans involved in, or (if studying), what are your best subjects? I'm better they'll be heavily skewed towards the maths/computer science/engineering side of things. The children of engineers are 2.5 times more likely to autistic than the children of social workers. Do the test on the link in my first post, it's quite fun. |
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can I have that in english? intersting read via that link |
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*better=betting |
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thomas brinkmann tokyo+1 > autechre |
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Go away. |
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you and your brinkman anyway but first, a totally unscientific poll. what occupations are autechre fans involved in, or (if studying), what are your best subjects? I'm better they'll be heavily skewed towards the maths/computer science/engineering side of things. yes, engineering covers it |
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sorry, but nothing you said is particularly perspicuous or new. You simply took some common sense analysis and imbued it with a small degree of formalism (how stupid do you think your readers are? you do not need to explain 'system'). Also, waving around accolades is also a very dangerous act, because there may be readers who are 20x more decorated/distinguished than you. The human brain naturally analyzes things. A good analytical mind results in a person good at basically anything. Splitting certain brain functions into certain professions works to a point but is a dangerous split to make a thesis on. Also, you are omitting some very important pertinent points, like the fact that anything we understand quickly is not necessarily due to intellect but also to memory (meaning conditioning, both from environment and from self). |
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it's brinkmann...two n's there. |
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like, whatever :D |
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does that mean tomas brinkmann tokyo are exactly as good as autechre are? |
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he screwed up, he thinks > means less than, ever time he posted that |
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well, just wanted to let you know...so you don't make a mistake when searching for his album. matvey, exactly! but no... |
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No, I think that tolstoyed knows what < and > mean. |
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I've read somewhere that Squarepusher was near to be autist. |
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i think sneakattack knows that as well, but hey, let's not ruin the topic :) |
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all i know is, it takes a brilliant mind to understand autechre's music! |
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if he randomly pushes people, he is |
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=D |
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I've also read that Tom Jenkinson danced like selling nails. |
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aint we all?? |
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that could be a viable theory as why you are excluded.. by jove, I think he got it! autechre listeners > tolstoyed! |
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finally! it took a long time to get to the bottom of this one... |
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Yeah, let's not! I'm trying to pass the mentioned test and am already bored. I'm at 40ish question now - how many do I have yet to be answered? By the way, my parents are not engineers at all, not even close to that. |
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yes i am an engineer. for me that proves nothing important,i can find you harley davidson fan interested in britney spears, theory failed. |
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"i can find you harley davidson fan interested in britney spears, theory failed." hahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha |
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trends not rules. a counterexample disproves nothing, no more than an example would prove anything. |
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I study mathematics and physics and love autechre, but i also now people who study litteraure and love them. |
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lmao |
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I study at dramaschool - specifically writing for theatre. and I really like autechre. uh-oh. |
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Professor Baron-Cohen (my lecturer at Cambridge and, amusingly enough, uncle of Sacha Baron-Cohen aka Ali G) YOU RULE! |
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i think you need |
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I studied computer science but have quit four months before graduatin. Now I'm kinda designing websites. |
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Sneakattack: An interesting response. Firstly, it was not my intention to appear decorated/distinguished. In retrospect I should have omitted mentioning Cambridge; I wished simply to explain the context in which I learned of Baron-Cohen’s research. I’m not particularly interested in how decorated any posters are, I’m interested in their ideas. Secondly, I didn’t claim I was proposing anything new: this application of baron-cohen’s work. I provided a couple of definitions of system because there are at least a dozen and I wanted to clarify which meaning I referred to. A good analytical mind results in a person good at basically anything - I disagree. There is plenty of evidence that there exist different components to what we call intelligence, which emerge as statistically separable factors to at least some extent in any large sample of IQ scores. There is of course some factor of general intelligence, but I’m not saying autechre fans have any general intellectual superiority over people that listen to any other kind of music. This is about different modes of cognition and analysis, rather than lumping it all into a single clumsy dimension of ‘intelligence’. Also, you are omitting some very important pertinent points - I only had 2048 characters! :) |
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Why yes, I would like fries with that, thanks. |
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no, too much fancy words sorry. |
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I think you're thinking about it too much... who knows why people like Autechre? I like them because they're weird... I'm an open-minded guy and like weird music... but also, Autechre aren't just weird, they blend their weirdness with melodies and cool beats... so I think it's great... I don't think I'm smarter then my friends who don't like Autechre... I just think I'm more into different styles of music then they are... and I didn't read all of your first post... seemed too weird for me... |
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Doesn't anybody else wonder why girls don't dig autechre (or "I"DM in general) as much as guys? I just think it's an interesting phenomenon worthy of analysis. Pseudo-intellectual bullshit posts are my escape from the monotony of work. |
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it is because they have pink things to fit in their hair, and boys dont so they play ae because they're bored. |
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girls don't dig it, coz they can't shake their booties to non straight rhythm. |
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Maybe autechre should make a pink cd. Or a pink minidisc that doubles up as something to slip in your hair and make it look pretty. *checks ebay* |
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I'm sorry, I don't live in the US.. here we actually care about culture! |
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I introduced two my younger sisters to Ae music, one of them liked Basscadet a lot, Second Bad Vilbel (!), and Autechre with mari Hamada 'Aire':) |
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i get what your're say VLetr and i think i may have a unique perspective, having lived with an Asburges Syndrome dude for a few years who, incidently, introduced me to Autechre! First off i can testify that i only know a few girls who like autechre and even then only one or 2 "uncomplicated" songs. As for my AS mate, james.... well when he introduced me to Ae it was through "bass cadet", "second badd vibal", "kaynel" and other earlier stuff and he's not really into their recent more organic material. We both love music but have some major differences: He hates lo-fi, noise and home-made stuff and will only listen to the crispist, most well produced, regular tracks. He has this idea of only listening to what he considers the most well thought-of producers which, in my opinion leads to a very narrow band of music. I've made tons of mix CD's, homemade stuff etc and like to go with the flow, include noise and organic sounds and he can't stand them. His ideas are way too clinical and pattern based for my taste but thats cos of the AS. <-too much logic.... which may be uber-male from a psychology point of view but i dunno. |
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I think you're digging waaaaay to deep. At least deeper than I would ever even consider analyizing my liking of a music. VLetr and sneak are going to go insane and do something bad in about 3 years. Oh yes, it will happen |
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brokephones: you can never dig too deep! This kind of psychological explanation is very coarse grained though, I mean fuck knows why I can understand and appreciate this particular song, but then that song (of comparable complexity) is just modem noises to me (a friend of mine's criticism of gantz graf). I suspect it is mostly to do with melodies hitting the emotional g-spot. All my favourite autechre songs have a haunting, poignant melody in, irrespective of their rhythmical fucked-upness. The psychology of music generally is a very interesting and under-researched field. Why does this beat feel aggressive and that beat feel like it's falling over backwards? Keyfumbler: interesting stuff 'bout your mate. I can see why some with AS would hate lo fi and noise, cos then you've got a signal that really is random. Must be agonising if you're the kind of person that feels compelled to extract explicit patterns from everything to hit a brick wall like that. So messy and disordered and analogue. Powerful analogy for why peeps with autism/AS find social situations so difficult, methinks. Social situations are are lofi noise, so many signals, so much ambiguity. |
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errr.. i dont think autechre is wierd/hard to analyse at all... its brain candy to me... the one act that ive had to listen to repetedly and endure mass amounts of discomfort from (was, in the end very rewarding) is O.S.T. that shit is awesomely fucked up, yet sublime. re: occupation, i am doing a bachelor of music at the queensland university of technology / work in a bar. |
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Cool. I like what you're talking about now. I've found that the Autechre that works for me is the desperation in their songs. The machine having an emotion. On Surripere, I can hear the machine talking, it has a voice and its trying to tell me something, but I cant understand it. And it gets very very frusturated. 6IE.CR I love when that incredibly woeful and desperate piano comes in near the end. Its like somone trapped in a machine for a long time, and by listening to it, the person in the machine is crying out for me to rescue it. I guess I mean some of their tracks sound "alive" like a lifeform. See, there's not really much logical basis for what I've said. Thats just what appeals to me. |
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