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It is so interesting that such a big number of IDM fans are depressed or on drugs or both.. Or so it seems from neetta's thread.... Somehow it's very appropriate... I am not sure why I think that... |
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I drink quite often. Thats about it. Havent seen you in a bit. Welcome back! |
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i'm not depressed or on drugs i used to be depressed, but i haven't been depressed for nearly three years now |
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thanks! i always visit,,, just rarely post anymore): |
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i usually get drunk and kill myself three... maybe four times a day. it's truly invigorating! |
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its not just IDM its people in general. |
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perhaps theyre just more honest and open |
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I demand you post more! |
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e-angst. |
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I don't know, would you get so many replies saying "I'm/I used to be depressed or I have such and such" in a Justin timberlake msg board.. maybe maybe... |
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maybe it's the beeps & clicks that cause it |
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yeah maybe the timberlake fans just are far more secretive... in that case it's interesting that IDM fans are so open about how fucked-up they are): |
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id be fucking depressed if I hung out on a justin timberlake mb. |
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I love you |
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Therefore IDM fans are prone to depression.. yay! |
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no. i mean- oh shut it you :-P |
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Somehow I think I should be posting in this thread......well.... |
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sorry i am not up to date with Monoid developments and the thread bearing your name confuses me.. |
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Salma you hot little chick |
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wow! i am famous): |
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yeah man, that's what happens when you starr in some big hollywood films. |
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maybe it's music we listen to, that makes us depressed and use drugs... |
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maybe maybe... although i was thinking it was the other way around. ie. screwed up people like IDM instead of IDM screws people up. |
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idm=depressing music and that's a fact. not that's a bad thing. i don't know... |
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The only drug I take with any sort of regularity is alcohol. I keep even that in comparative moderation these days though (I drink strong stuff- just not very often). I'm certainly not depressed. I was in my late teens, but I think most people are. I grew out of it and taught myself to be happy. |
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i was mostly refering to medicine type drugs...you know as in the anti-depressant thread... but other stuff is valid too! also most people aren't depressed......only some people get depression... being sad for some period of time is not an illness... but anyway... Pen Expers= genius |
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Weirdos gravitate toward ''weird'' music. If we were popular and good looking, we wouldn't have time to look into all this bizarre noise. |
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what ever happened to Pen Expers? |
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the link works not The page cannot be displayed The page you are looking for is currently unavailable. The Web site might be experiencing technical difficulties, or you may need to adjust your browser settings. |
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maybe its the mb factor that comes into it as well? |
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maybe maybe... it's an IDM mb though, attracting people who like IDM, not a pin-collectors mb, which would be different. Therefore there maybe a link. |
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No, trust me, I was depressed. I know the difference. |
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i am not saying you weren't. Just that "most people" aren't... it's completely believable that you had depression considering this thread and its consideration of depression among IDM fans! |
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there probably is some link - but it might be that in general idm fans that don't visit/regular mb's aren't in general as "messed up"? having said that, i haven't really been on many other boards, so i can't really comment on what the likes of pin-collector mb's are like ;) |
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Niether can I. Speculation is my friend. Your's too): |
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too true. you still doing sociology? |
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Yeah, I felt bad for a couple of years solid, despite everything in my life being comparatively peachy, but I eventually overcame it through self-mastery/control. You know what really does my box? When people who are still depressed or who use drugs as crutch say that I wasn't depressed- simply on the grounds of me getting myself out of it and not going to anyone for help. I was reading the other week in one of the broadsheets about a revolutionary new treatment for depression some shrink had developed. In simple terms 2 things: Firstly, it's yuor problem, only you can fix it. Giving people the indulgent "it's not your fault, it's chemicals in your brain" attitude doesn't help people out of their depression. Reducing it to a chemical level and not factoring in free will means we also shouldn't punish criminals and that we shouldn't take responsibility for our actions. Secondly, stay busy- depression is least prevalent in times when people are working a lot or enduring hardship (look at suicide rates in WW2, much much lower than in times of prosperity). By working (and by that it can be almost anything- studying, an actual job, even just doing music in a really applied manner) you free yourself of the periods of "dead time" where you sit around and mope, which is when you get into that spiral of sitting around more, getting more depressed etc. These are both things I realised for myself a few years back. |
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yeah i am... actually right now i'm procrastinating an assignment in Canterbury's computer room! |
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well i am happy to hear you got yourself out of it. But many people can't do that for numerous reasons. Also, given that I'm into sociology, I don't buy into the ultimate significance of biological theories for these things. Genetic predisposition maybe there but I think often enviromental factors play a huge role to trigger it. Also I read some stuff on some mental health illnesses where there's debate around whether the chemical imbalances are the 'result' rather than cause of the problem. Also, saying that enviromental factors play a big role in this does not mean I'm saying it is still very difficult to deal with and get out of. You don't need screwed up chemicals in your head to be screwed up. Enviromental pressures can build things up in people that makes them feel they cannot control their lives or themselves. Social construction is very powerful. |
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ceri: nicely put .. i tend to agree that "objectifying" problems of this nature don't really get at "the problem" - if there really is one |
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also i think this sort of thing can be very different for each person. It's not a surprise that some people like you can manage to eventually beat it themselves but others can't. |
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Errr that is perhaps true for some and bollocks for others. I can see the point but I think way of thinking could increase some people's condition. |
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*that* way of thinking |
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"Also I read some stuff on some mental health illnesses where there's debate around whether the chemical imbalances are the 'result' rather than cause of the problem." Spot on- that's one of my arguments: there is no satisfactory way of proving that they are not simply a physical manifestation of the way the brain is "behaving" (due to environmental factors). Also, you might laugh, but I'm religious and I find the idea of there being no "soul" or true conciousness in a body unpalatable. If we really are just bags of chemicals, morality really goes out the window and the future really is pre determined etc. which as well as being not something I believe, it's not something that I think would be good to know, even if it were true (people already act like twats, imagine what they'd get up to if they could hide behind the fact there was no free will). Paradoxically, such a discovery (and by that I mean real, irrefutable proof- not just philosophers touching on it) would actually greatly alter peoples behaviour. |
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I drink way too much, and I smoke way too much weed. I very rarely do class A drugs. I think it's more that people who post on boards and usenet and stuff a lot are on average more fucked up than the average person in the street, rather than IDM fans in particular. The fact that IDM has quite a strong presence on the net could lead you to the assumption that it's IDM in particular, granted. |
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Yeah, you should see some of the gimps from the Muse board my old flatmate (who was a mod there) used to bring to the flat. Right bunch of misfits, makes us look normal ;) |
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Yeah, cause and effect go out the window when you're talking about brain chemistry really. There are many different types of chemical cascades that can occur in the brain. In other words self-catalysing reactions where more and more of a chemical is generated. |
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ceri: irrefutable proof?!!! irrefutable proof of what? |
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i won't laugh..i know lots of religious people and come from a religious family except people can pretty much refute any irrefutable proof for anything! it's the 'beauty' of the human brain..., it can always find ways to disagree... |
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I agree about the keeping busy bit though, I think that helps. I guess the first bit would probably work well for passive sufferers, as in the ones who don't attempt to get better because of their negativity. However I think there is a completely different type of sufferer who acknowleges their responsibility and works bloody hard to get their life back on track - say those who have have been bereaved. They may have periods of recovery and success as a result of their positive thinking, but I think it would be extremely dangerous and plain wrong to 'place the blame' of any relapse on the sufferer. I think that could only decrease their self esteem at a time when they need more to move on. Hmm it has got me thinking that one |
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