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AlbertoBalsalm
from ReykjavÃk (Iceland) on 2004-05-13 22:23 [#01187295]
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"video oddities
There are plenty of questions raised concerning the video too. The body is completely motionless even as the knife is brought to bear ? not so much as an instinctive wriggle.
More graphically, some claim that cutting the throat's artery would cause a significant amount of blood to gush out. But little emerges and when the head was raised ? not a drop of blood is seen to fall."
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intresting facts. i'm not really sure it's real now.
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GIR
from Easton on 2004-05-13 22:32 [#01187300]
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the bad thing about this to me is, im starting to actually take word on conspiracy theories dealing with our government..
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brokephones
from Londontario on 2004-05-13 22:41 [#01187307]
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Jugular cut = Huge amount of blood
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bryce_berny
from chronno (Canada) on 2004-05-13 22:41 [#01187310]
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I question it, as I stated on the beheading sad face thread.
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-05-13 22:46 [#01187313]
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...what? When he holds up the head you can see the streams of blood falling down, but after a few inches you can't see it since the video isn't good enough to catch small drops falling quickly.
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princo
from Shitty City (Geelong) (Australia) on 2004-05-13 22:47 [#01187314]
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That article raises some good points..
and as soon as we can say its fake we can all joke about it and say lots of SUB ZERO... WINS!.... FATALITY jokes. etc etc.
heh
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brokephones
from Londontario on 2004-05-13 22:49 [#01187316]
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Yeah but there would be HUGE amounts if it was real. Not just drip drip drip
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-05-13 22:52 [#01187317]
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Okay. Did you also see the video where he is alive and says his name and where he is from? I guess it's possible that he is sitting there dead in front of them, but he doesn't fall over. "Not a sign of struggle". He can't do much when he's all bound up and a bunch of guys are holding him down. It also takes about 15 seconds of cutting if I remember, so most of the blood is probably all over the floor, but the contrast is too bad to see in the shadow. I was going to watch the higher quality video again, but it's unavailable now from www.homelandsecurityus.com.
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princo
from Shitty City (Geelong) (Australia) on 2004-05-13 22:52 [#01187318]
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GUSHING!
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-05-13 22:55 [#01187319]
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I think that article is retarded and it's just a bunch of these internet blog dudes sitting around trying to act like news analysts. Bullshitt-t-t-t.
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princo
from Shitty City (Geelong) (Australia) on 2004-05-13 22:58 [#01187320]
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so... sub zero doesnt win??
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-05-13 22:58 [#01187321]
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And by the way you guys reacted to it, it sounded like you've never seen a real life person get their head sawed off with a knife before. Now you're some sort of expert on what it would look like, and what is fake?
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chaosmachine
from Ottawa (Canada) on 2004-05-13 23:13 [#01187327]
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from google news..
Al-Qaida says beheading video faked The Spoof (satire), UK - May 11, 2004 Al-Qaida leaders have said that the video showing an American civilian getting beheaded in Iraq is a fake. They say it has been ...
interestingly, the article has been removed.. it was here:
http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s3i3578
guess it was too close to the truth to be considered humor.
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2004-05-13 23:13 [#01187328]
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HAHAHA
Some people crack me up.
Anyway, I still haven't watched this video, but I did force myself to look at some still images... I saw them holding his head up to the camera. Haunting, and it really, really, really pissed me off.
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Oddioblender
from Fort Worth, TX (United States) on 2004-05-13 23:38 [#01187350]
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strange indeed.
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Taffmonster
from dog_belch (Japan) on 2004-05-13 23:49 [#01187354]
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id be so happy if it was fake
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princo
from Shitty City (Geelong) (Australia) on 2004-05-13 23:58 [#01187355]
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can you point to your avatar and say that?
<---- like this!
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Taffmonster
from dog_belch (Japan) on 2004-05-14 00:00 [#01187357]
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<----- id be so happy if it was fake
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Taffmonster
from dog_belch (Japan) on 2004-05-14 00:01 [#01187358]
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ok i did it but WHY?????? and not why form clouddead actually why
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princo
from Shitty City (Geelong) (Australia) on 2004-05-14 00:08 [#01187359]
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B-)
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Taffmonster
from dog_belch (Japan) on 2004-05-14 00:09 [#01187360]
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WHYYYYY GOD DAMNIT WHY?????? *fallsto the floor charlton heston styleee)
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ifkardo
from 785.8 mb of radio babylon (Equatorial Guinea) on 2004-05-14 00:10 [#01187361]
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Nick Berg's dad is pissed... at the us government, why is this not an issue?
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-05-14 00:12 [#01187362]
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I never said anything about that.
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ifkardo
from 785.8 mb of radio babylon (Equatorial Guinea) on 2004-05-14 00:16 [#01187366]
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oh shit, i didn't mean to hit the reply to thing for your post sorry. honest mistake on my part. but anyways, he's pissed.
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bryce_berny
from chronno (Canada) on 2004-05-14 00:31 [#01187380]
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I just saw the video. It is definitely real, as far as I can tell.
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bryce_berny
from chronno (Canada) on 2004-05-14 00:33 [#01187382]
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rezpeni
on 2004-05-14 01:01 [#01187405]
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This was all done through animatronic puppets by the guys who did star wars.
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-05-14 01:07 [#01187408]
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I'd say it was real. There is a strong possibility that he would have suffered a heart attack before or as the knife started to cut. This would lead to the absence of gushing blood. They found Nick Bergs beheaded body as well didn't they? What do Al-Queda or whoever have to gain by a fake video? If it was exposed as fake they would lose the respect of the people they are supposedly fighting for.
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Taffmonster
from dog_belch (Japan) on 2004-05-14 01:11 [#01187409]
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yes but who ssays al-queda faked it the us could have faked it for propoganda purposes.
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-05-14 01:18 [#01187411]
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It has done the US damage...they aren't going to fake something and claim it is revenge for their actions in Abu Ghraib prison. The US never take responsibility for their actions, they just make it look as if they do.
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sneakattack
on 2004-05-14 01:21 [#01187412]
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yes yes. A great way to undermine all of the apologies going on for the tortures and other things (the helicopter video which was circulating, etc.), is to consider whether or not any apologies would have taken place had information not been leaked..
..of course not
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Taffmonster
from dog_belch (Japan) on 2004-05-14 01:22 [#01187413]
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lol sounds like cartmans flash backs. but seriously it would get them back on the publics side because face it the public will be thinking if they did that to our people we should do horrible things to thiers. but i dont know im not even sure its fake it looked pretty real to me
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-05-14 01:28 [#01187415]
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97%+ of the public will never see the video, all they are aware of is that a man was beheaded in a bit of a brutal way. The method of killing seems brutal, but in text form it doesn't sound much worse than the emotive language that has been used int he media to describe the conditions in Iraqi jails.
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Taffmonster
from dog_belch (Japan) on 2004-05-14 01:32 [#01187417]
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as the piece says "Some discussions focus on the timing of the video's release - guaranteed to divert attention from the outrage over US abuse of Iraqis."
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-05-14 01:43 [#01187422]
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The video is supposed to be a direct response to the treatment of their Iraqi brothers in jail. Hence the timing is probably about right.
It sounds to me that people who can't handle what they have seen are looking for excuses to either explain away the images, or the concept that humans can be so evil towards other humans.
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-05-14 01:44 [#01187424]
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Also
"guaranteed to divert attention from the outrage over US abuse of Iraqis."
If anything it has drawn more attention to it.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-05-14 02:12 [#01187430]
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don't we just love media?
YES, YES WE DO!
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brokephones
from Londontario on 2004-05-14 13:57 [#01188550]
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I want that Colin Powell album.
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2004-05-14 15:46 [#01188711]
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god, you people are annoying
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2004-05-14 16:01 [#01188729]
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That aside, It could be a possibility that he was killed than te beheading was edited in later. For what ever reason.
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2004-05-14 16:03 [#01188745]
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What's even stranger is his chance encounter with Moussaoui. Fucking insane. Maybe the whole family is CIA. Maybe.
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-05-14 16:03 [#01188746]
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You're what is wrong with modern America.
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2004-05-14 16:07 [#01188770]
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I think you are annoying so I must be what's wrong with modern America..Go eat some blood sausage. Matter of fact, eat my blood sausage.
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-05-14 16:09 [#01188778]
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hahaha....
twat.
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