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offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-08 04:37 [#01178137]
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After three and a half years of dwelling on the subject and
extensive calculating, I have finally found the biggest
number in the entire universe:

twelve


 

offline J198 from Maastricht (Netherlands, The) on 2004-05-08 04:43 [#01178143]
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please dont bother explaining. mathematics scare me.


 

offline nacmat on 2004-05-08 04:46 [#01178144]
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twelve is a very used number in many religions, beliefs,
cultures...

12 months
12 apostols
12 zodiac constelations
12 jewish tribes (sons of abraham)
12 ...


 

offline Refund from Melbourne (Australia) on 2004-05-08 04:50 [#01178147]
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64 is the most common appearing number anywhere,


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-08 04:51 [#01178148]
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Really though, I think I have found the theoretically
biggest possible number in the universe. The mistake is
thinking that you can go: 1,000,000,000,00... to infinite.
Well numbers have to be stored somehow. So, assume that,
say, an atom is the smallest unit in the universe capable of
storing a number... then the largest stored number in the
universe is limited by the number of atoms in the universe
capable of storing it.

This number is just a stored symbol though. The largest
unstored number must be much much larger, though still
limited by the universe's size. For example, for our
purposes, assume that atoms are the smallest units in the
universe. Then the number of every possible combination of
atoms with every other possible combination must be the
largest possible number. Then put that number as it's own
exponent and repeat this operation per every unit of the
smallest possible time. Or something.


 

offline AlbertoBalsalm from Reykjavík (Iceland) on 2004-05-08 04:53 [#01178150]
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sixhundredtrillionbillion is bigger


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-08 04:55 [#01178155]
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WWhoa... jesus christ... you blew my mind...


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-08 04:56 [#01178158]
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Three and a half years... wasted... wasted...


 

offline giginger from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-08 04:57 [#01178160]
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the biggest number is below:


 

offline AlbertoBalsalm from Reykjavík (Iceland) on 2004-05-08 04:59 [#01178164]
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sorry man. i guess i'm a mathmetical genius or sumtin' ?


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-08 04:59 [#01178165]
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WHERE!? WHEERRE? LOL! I DONUT SEE IT! ;)


 

offline nacmat on 2004-05-08 04:59 [#01178166]
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what is a number?


 

offline AlbertoBalsalm from Reykjavík (Iceland) on 2004-05-08 05:03 [#01178170]
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that's too deep...a.rggh BRAIN overloading

a number is a thing to like..count things, so that we can do
things with it like..uhm estimate how many times cows take a
dump each year, you know stuff like that.


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-08 05:06 [#01178175]
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Indeed, it's trickier than it seems to fully understand
them. Letters just seem combinational, for example "g" is
just one possibility out of 26 other choices. Then the brain
does it's magic to convert those symbols to meaning. But
numbers are more logical somehow because logical
mathematical operations like addition can be applied to them
with repeatability and predictably. But to do addition you
perhaps need symmetry. You can add one jar of peanut butter
to one jar of peanut butter and group and count the
molecules because they're all similar, but can you easily
add one jar of peanut butter to one loaf of bread? Yes. Yes
you can, and the result is a peanutbutter sandwich... one of
which I will go and make... right... now...!!!!!11111


 

offline nacmat on 2004-05-08 05:07 [#01178178]
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but a word has a meaning by itself... is like the smallest
meaningfull unit

but a number? what is a number alone, by itself?

nothing


 

offline AlbertoBalsalm from Reykjavík (Iceland) on 2004-05-08 05:07 [#01178180]
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you really have to know mathematics well to make a
peanutbutter sandwich


 

offline AlbertoBalsalm from Reykjavík (Iceland) on 2004-05-08 05:09 [#01178182]
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"what is a number alone, by itself?"

that's easy. it's 1

1 is alone, it's the loneliest number. it doesn't have any
other number added to it. that's an analogy for my life,
really!


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-08 05:16 [#01178194]
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Lyrics by Group X, arabian rap sensations:

"If you want to sex me you have to be good at math,..."

ah ha ha ha ha ha...


 

offline AlbertoBalsalm from Reykjavík (Iceland) on 2004-05-08 05:19 [#01178199]
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lol


 

offline Doomed Puppy from on and off and on and off and on 2004-05-08 05:24 [#01178206]
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My telephone number is the way for underage girls to my
basement.


 

offline gnocelot from Greifswald (Germany) on 2004-05-08 05:24 [#01178207]
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Wouldn't that be a peanut butter and glass sandwich? You'll
have to be very careful preparing and eating that, or you
might end up getting hurt.


 

offline nacmat on 2004-05-08 05:25 [#01178210]
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math is not about numbers



 

offline Key_Secret from Sverige (Sweden) on 2004-05-08 05:27 [#01178212]
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numbers are symbols, just like words.


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-08 05:28 [#01178213]
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Oh my! I must have accidently done subtraction somewhere.
Luckily I remembered I made pop tarts instead this time.


 

offline nacmat on 2004-05-08 05:30 [#01178222]
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numbers are places


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-08 05:32 [#01178225]
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Numbers can only represent ammounts in time or space. Is
there any other possible thing they can stand for?


 

offline AlbertoBalsalm from Reykjavík (Iceland) on 2004-05-08 05:32 [#01178226]
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numbers is a kraftwerk song


 

offline Doomed Puppy from on and off and on and off and on 2004-05-08 05:33 [#01178230]
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People are numbers


 

offline Key_Secret from Sverige (Sweden) on 2004-05-08 05:34 [#01178234]
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have't you seen Aronofsky's "pi"?
hm... maybe you saw it just before creating this topic?


 

offline Doomed Puppy from on and off and on and off and on 2004-05-08 05:34 [#01178235]
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Time and space are only four dimensions. I bet there are
more....


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-08 05:40 [#01178244]
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I thought that movie sucked.

Okay, then what is a "dimension".


 

offline nacmat on 2004-05-08 05:41 [#01178247]
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and why are there only ten numbers?

(considering 0 a number)


 

offline Key_Secret from Sverige (Sweden) on 2004-05-08 05:43 [#01178252]
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that's just the system... and it's not very good.
Because it's like after six or seven that humans start to
think of them as "a lot of things".
I mean, e.g. when counting:

six sticks is six sticks.
but nine sticks are several sticks.

just when looking at them quickly. So we should have used
another base than 10 for the system, that'd make things
easier.


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-08 05:44 [#01178253]
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Look up "ten fingers" plus "binary" plus "decimal" in google
and you'll likely find out.


 

offline AlbertoBalsalm from Reykjavík (Iceland) on 2004-05-08 05:45 [#01178256]
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and octal


 

offline Doomed Puppy from on and off and on and off and on 2004-05-08 05:46 [#01178258]
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The only way for an ignorant slob like me to define a
dimension is through the already existing dimensions.
Existing is ofcourse what the limited capabilities of the
human mind can percieve.


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-08 05:48 [#01178262]
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base 10 was historically convenient because we had 10
fingers, but now we're stuck with it because evolution
usually only makes minor changes of already existing things.
there's a lot of dividing in half of numbers, for example
when measuring to hang up a shelf or something and you want
to place 4 equally spaced screws... well 10 divides into 5
then 2.5 then 1.25 then 0.625 which gets awkward. Base 16
divides in half very nicely obviously.


 

offline gnocelot from Greifswald (Germany) on 2004-05-08 05:50 [#01178266]
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The dimension of a vector space is the maximum cardinality
of all sets of linearly independent vectors. Alternatively,
if you have a fixed orthonormal base of the space, I guess
the direction of each element of that base can be called a
"dimension" in the colloquial sense.

We use a base-10 system because most people in the past
couldn't count without using their fingers, much less spend
time pondering which base might be the best.


 

offline hobbes from age on 2004-05-08 05:51 [#01178269]
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1>12=2 apparently


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-08 05:56 [#01178275]
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In this nice old worn simple dictionary I have,

dimension: 1. a measurement of something in length, width,
or height [The dimensions of the box are 40 inches in
length, 30 inches in height, and 24 inches in width.] 2.
size or importance [a project of vast dimensions].

So possibly the word has evolved to take in a sort of
paranormal meaning (ren and stimpy travel to the dimension
where all the missing left socks in the universe are), but
like bigfoot maybe it has no reality.


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-08 06:02 [#01178281]
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well, I mean no reality other than the time and space ones.

That definition was pretty prickly... I interpreted it as,
say there's a 2-d plane, the dimension equals all the points
in that plane extending in all directions.


 

offline Key_Secret from Sverige (Sweden) on 2004-05-08 06:02 [#01178284]
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ok wmw...
btw I think it's like 4 or 5 things that we can see as four
or five things, instead of just 'a bunch of things'. (not 6
or seven like I wrote in the post I am replying to).

You all understand what I mean?

Using 4 would be a good thing then.


 

offline Doomed Puppy from on and off and on and off and on 2004-05-08 06:03 [#01178285]
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Humans are only trying to find familiar patterns in
everything. They use limited meanings and concepts to define
uknown things. The definition you gave is limited. Time is
supposed to be a dimension but what the fuck is time?


 

offline Key_Secret from Sverige (Sweden) on 2004-05-08 06:05 [#01178289]
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make this another 'time does not exist'-topic!


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-08 06:08 [#01178298]
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good point...


 

offline gnocelot from Greifswald (Germany) on 2004-05-08 06:12 [#01178306]
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Time's like a long, wide river: if you try to swim, you
might end up getting killed by a ship. And vampires can't
cross it.


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-08 06:16 [#01178312]
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I love your avatar. I want to either make the entire thing
repeat the process in a fractalish way, or make scratch
noises with it (going forward would make a "scratch" noise
and reverse would make a "scritch" noise).


 

offline Doomed Puppy from on and off and on and off and on 2004-05-08 06:19 [#01178315]
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I've got a better one:
How is the perception of time altered for one when:

i)One is frying ones hand in cooking oil
ii)One has sex with a hot chick he likes
iii)One has sex with her 10 year old daughter while frying
her hand in mcdonalds vegetable oil.


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-08 06:26 [#01178324]
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Oh... damn, I fried my face instead of my hand on accident.
This data will be useless, i'll have to restart.


 

offline warpphex from lurkston, ziltyland. (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-08 06:40 [#01178333]
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Im just going to stitch my nut sack to my eye lid ,ill be
back in a mo ...


 


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