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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-08 04:37 [#01178137]
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After three and a half years of dwelling on the subject and extensive calculating, I have finally found the biggest number in the entire universe:
twelve
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J198
from Maastricht (Netherlands, The) on 2004-05-08 04:43 [#01178143]
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please dont bother explaining. mathematics scare me.
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nacmat
on 2004-05-08 04:46 [#01178144]
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twelve is a very used number in many religions, beliefs, cultures...
12 months 12 apostols 12 zodiac constelations 12 jewish tribes (sons of abraham) 12 ...
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Refund
from Melbourne (Australia) on 2004-05-08 04:50 [#01178147]
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64 is the most common appearing number anywhere,
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-08 04:51 [#01178148]
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Really though, I think I have found the theoretically biggest possible number in the universe. The mistake is thinking that you can go: 1,000,000,000,00... to infinite. Well numbers have to be stored somehow. So, assume that, say, an atom is the smallest unit in the universe capable of storing a number... then the largest stored number in the universe is limited by the number of atoms in the universe capable of storing it.
This number is just a stored symbol though. The largest unstored number must be much much larger, though still limited by the universe's size. For example, for our purposes, assume that atoms are the smallest units in the universe. Then the number of every possible combination of atoms with every other possible combination must be the largest possible number. Then put that number as it's own exponent and repeat this operation per every unit of the smallest possible time. Or something.
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AlbertoBalsalm
from ReykjavÃk (Iceland) on 2004-05-08 04:53 [#01178150]
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sixhundredtrillionbillion is bigger
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-08 04:55 [#01178155]
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WWhoa... jesus christ... you blew my mind...
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-08 04:56 [#01178158]
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Three and a half years... wasted... wasted...
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-08 04:57 [#01178160]
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the biggest number is below:
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AlbertoBalsalm
from ReykjavÃk (Iceland) on 2004-05-08 04:59 [#01178164]
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sorry man. i guess i'm a mathmetical genius or sumtin' ?
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-08 04:59 [#01178165]
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WHERE!? WHEERRE? LOL! I DONUT SEE IT! ;)
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nacmat
on 2004-05-08 04:59 [#01178166]
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what is a number?
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AlbertoBalsalm
from ReykjavÃk (Iceland) on 2004-05-08 05:03 [#01178170]
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that's too deep...a.rggh BRAIN overloading
a number is a thing to like..count things, so that we can do things with it like..uhm estimate how many times cows take a dump each year, you know stuff like that.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-08 05:06 [#01178175]
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Indeed, it's trickier than it seems to fully understand them. Letters just seem combinational, for example "g" is just one possibility out of 26 other choices. Then the brain does it's magic to convert those symbols to meaning. But numbers are more logical somehow because logical mathematical operations like addition can be applied to them with repeatability and predictably. But to do addition you perhaps need symmetry. You can add one jar of peanut butter to one jar of peanut butter and group and count the molecules because they're all similar, but can you easily add one jar of peanut butter to one loaf of bread? Yes. Yes you can, and the result is a peanutbutter sandwich... one of which I will go and make... right... now...!!!!!11111
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nacmat
on 2004-05-08 05:07 [#01178178]
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but a word has a meaning by itself... is like the smallest meaningfull unit
but a number? what is a number alone, by itself?
nothing
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AlbertoBalsalm
from ReykjavÃk (Iceland) on 2004-05-08 05:07 [#01178180]
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you really have to know mathematics well to make a peanutbutter sandwich
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AlbertoBalsalm
from ReykjavÃk (Iceland) on 2004-05-08 05:09 [#01178182]
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"what is a number alone, by itself?"
that's easy. it's 1
1 is alone, it's the loneliest number. it doesn't have any other number added to it. that's an analogy for my life, really!
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-08 05:16 [#01178194]
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Lyrics by Group X, arabian rap sensations:
"If you want to sex me you have to be good at math,..."
ah ha ha ha ha ha...
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AlbertoBalsalm
from ReykjavÃk (Iceland) on 2004-05-08 05:19 [#01178199]
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lol
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Doomed Puppy
from on and off and on and off and on 2004-05-08 05:24 [#01178206]
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My telephone number is the way for underage girls to my basement.
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gnocelot
from Greifswald (Germany) on 2004-05-08 05:24 [#01178207]
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Wouldn't that be a peanut butter and glass sandwich? You'll have to be very careful preparing and eating that, or you might end up getting hurt.
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nacmat
on 2004-05-08 05:25 [#01178210]
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math is not about numbers
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2004-05-08 05:27 [#01178212]
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numbers are symbols, just like words.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-08 05:28 [#01178213]
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Oh my! I must have accidently done subtraction somewhere. Luckily I remembered I made pop tarts instead this time.
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nacmat
on 2004-05-08 05:30 [#01178222]
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numbers are places
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-08 05:32 [#01178225]
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Numbers can only represent ammounts in time or space. Is there any other possible thing they can stand for?
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AlbertoBalsalm
from ReykjavÃk (Iceland) on 2004-05-08 05:32 [#01178226]
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numbers is a kraftwerk song
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Doomed Puppy
from on and off and on and off and on 2004-05-08 05:33 [#01178230]
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People are numbers
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2004-05-08 05:34 [#01178234]
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have't you seen Aronofsky's "pi"? hm... maybe you saw it just before creating this topic?
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Doomed Puppy
from on and off and on and off and on 2004-05-08 05:34 [#01178235]
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Time and space are only four dimensions. I bet there are more....
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-08 05:40 [#01178244]
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I thought that movie sucked.
Okay, then what is a "dimension".
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nacmat
on 2004-05-08 05:41 [#01178247]
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and why are there only ten numbers?
(considering 0 a number)
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2004-05-08 05:43 [#01178252]
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that's just the system... and it's not very good. Because it's like after six or seven that humans start to think of them as "a lot of things".
I mean, e.g. when counting:
six sticks is six sticks. but nine sticks are several sticks.
just when looking at them quickly. So we should have used another base than 10 for the system, that'd make things easier.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-08 05:44 [#01178253]
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Look up "ten fingers" plus "binary" plus "decimal" in google and you'll likely find out.
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AlbertoBalsalm
from ReykjavÃk (Iceland) on 2004-05-08 05:45 [#01178256]
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and octal
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Doomed Puppy
from on and off and on and off and on 2004-05-08 05:46 [#01178258]
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The only way for an ignorant slob like me to define a dimension is through the already existing dimensions. Existing is ofcourse what the limited capabilities of the human mind can percieve.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-08 05:48 [#01178262]
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base 10 was historically convenient because we had 10 fingers, but now we're stuck with it because evolution usually only makes minor changes of already existing things. there's a lot of dividing in half of numbers, for example when measuring to hang up a shelf or something and you want to place 4 equally spaced screws... well 10 divides into 5 then 2.5 then 1.25 then 0.625 which gets awkward. Base 16 divides in half very nicely obviously.
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gnocelot
from Greifswald (Germany) on 2004-05-08 05:50 [#01178266]
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The dimension of a vector space is the maximum cardinality of all sets of linearly independent vectors. Alternatively, if you have a fixed orthonormal base of the space, I guess the direction of each element of that base can be called a "dimension" in the colloquial sense.
We use a base-10 system because most people in the past couldn't count without using their fingers, much less spend time pondering which base might be the best.
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hobbes
from age on 2004-05-08 05:51 [#01178269]
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1>12=2 apparently
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-08 05:56 [#01178275]
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In this nice old worn simple dictionary I have,
dimension: 1. a measurement of something in length, width, or height [The dimensions of the box are 40 inches in length, 30 inches in height, and 24 inches in width.] 2. size or importance [a project of vast dimensions].
So possibly the word has evolved to take in a sort of paranormal meaning (ren and stimpy travel to the dimension where all the missing left socks in the universe are), but like bigfoot maybe it has no reality.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-08 06:02 [#01178281]
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well, I mean no reality other than the time and space ones.
That definition was pretty prickly... I interpreted it as, say there's a 2-d plane, the dimension equals all the points in that plane extending in all directions.
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2004-05-08 06:02 [#01178284]
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ok wmw... btw I think it's like 4 or 5 things that we can see as four or five things, instead of just 'a bunch of things'. (not 6 or seven like I wrote in the post I am replying to).
You all understand what I mean?
Using 4 would be a good thing then.
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Doomed Puppy
from on and off and on and off and on 2004-05-08 06:03 [#01178285]
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Humans are only trying to find familiar patterns in everything. They use limited meanings and concepts to define uknown things. The definition you gave is limited. Time is supposed to be a dimension but what the fuck is time?
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2004-05-08 06:05 [#01178289]
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make this another 'time does not exist'-topic!
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-08 06:08 [#01178298]
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good point...
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gnocelot
from Greifswald (Germany) on 2004-05-08 06:12 [#01178306]
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Time's like a long, wide river: if you try to swim, you might end up getting killed by a ship. And vampires can't cross it.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-08 06:16 [#01178312]
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I love your avatar. I want to either make the entire thing repeat the process in a fractalish way, or make scratch noises with it (going forward would make a "scratch" noise and reverse would make a "scritch" noise).
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Doomed Puppy
from on and off and on and off and on 2004-05-08 06:19 [#01178315]
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I've got a better one: How is the perception of time altered for one when:
i)One is frying ones hand in cooking oil ii)One has sex with a hot chick he likes iii)One has sex with her 10 year old daughter while frying her hand in mcdonalds vegetable oil.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-08 06:26 [#01178324]
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Oh... damn, I fried my face instead of my hand on accident. This data will be useless, i'll have to restart.
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warpphex
from lurkston, ziltyland. (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-08 06:40 [#01178333]
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Im just going to stitch my nut sack to my eye lid ,ill be back in a mo ...
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