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i remember reading an interesting article in the national paper about this. it's obvious that time does not exist as it has been created by man for our convenience, based on solar cycles etc. so the article made the point that that means our lives are non-linear and thus explaining deja vu - which is merely a reminder of our possible path. see also: donnie darko. i fink it was an extract from a buck. |
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man's of time doesn't exist, time still exists. same with measures of distance, pressure, temperature, etc. its all relative to something else, thus having no real value. but the stuff still exists. just because a meter is a made up distance doesnt mean that there is no distance between me and say.... my computer. |
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doesnt it? |
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booooooo |
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define existing |
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"time doesn't exist" In general, it does not. I looked at my hands tonight after a year of not looking at them from above (I was looking only at palms). Man, I started forming adult hands so freaking fast! Now, I cannot say that time does not exist either. Things change with it. Maybe it exists only when the portion of universe is taken into connsideration instead of the whole universe itself. I am just too inignificant to know the truth anyway.... |
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you're contradicting yourself.. if there is no man made distance.. then there is NO distance between you and your computor. |
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time, distance anything man made or so called by us. |
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no, theres still distance, as in the fact that the atoms in my body are not in contact with some other body, and that some fixed amount of atoms could possibly fit inbetween. the idea of a meter and that "this is 4 meters 2 cm apart" is an invention of man |
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i agree btw |
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so you think.. because man put labels on what he 'sees' |
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Deadlines are the worst. I could do without them. |
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haha exaph you sould like my friends after a spliff |
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atoms is an invention of man as well |
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this thread doesn't exist. |
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the idea of atoms.. is the same as the idea of distance.. |
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yeah |
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everything we know are ideas of man.. we cannot possibly go beyond what we know.. even the idea of something beyond what we know an idea. |
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so you're saying a closter of electrons protons and neutrons is something that exists only in the imagination of scientists? |
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no. i said , it's an idea of man. |
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everything we know, are just ideas we've created.. and the masses follow and believe in it, therefor it exists. |
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or maybe you're in a lucid dream state and we are all characters YOU created in YOUR world, and thus you've created all the ideas. |
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we're all isolated to our own minds, sight, beliefs.. we cannot go beyond our limitations of our brains. if in fact there are limitations.. but the theory of limitations is an idea we created.. see how we're stuck in this loop of our brains? |
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perhaps.. but even that is just a human idea. so it's not any more relevant then the current idea of existance. |
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atoms do exists, a meter doesnt. there really ARE things with neutrons and protons in the center with a bunch of lil electrons swirling around em. but a meter? nope, there is no actual defenition for that. |
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Lost... in time... Like... tears..in... rain.. time to die! |
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well there has to be space in order for a meter to exist.. and space is an 'actual thing', right? just like an atom. |
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numbers also don't exist same as words |
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what about people who are born blind? do lesser things exist to them? |
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such as sparkles? |
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existensialism... go study it. |
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why did you ask me about blind people though |
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cause you started listing things that 'don't exist' , as though you or anyone has any clue about existance. |
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but you're not saying "this is a meter long piece of air" therefore hedphukker wins. |
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this thread is so booooooring its so grade 8 |
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why not? how is that different from labeling an atom? |
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uh i was just saying that along with time there are a lot of man made ideas which aren't real you can not find 3 in nature. you can find 3 of an object but you will never find straight up 3. |
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this discussion is getting kinda pointless. Words and numbers are signs that represent things. I don't know about you, but I am aware of their existence. They aren't tangible, but they represent something. |
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so everything 'solid' in 'nature' exists? what about the insects you've never heard of.. or the 99% of the coean floor we have never explored? |
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the only thing that exists to YOU is what youve seen and heard. NOW SHUT THE FUCK UP |
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i cant beleive your arguing over perception. i mean, there are trillions of perceptions. each and everyone of them are right too, know why? because... they exist BOO |
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Time doesn't exist in the linear fashion we percieve it - That's just brought about by the way we deal with memories in middle dimensions (not being all sci-fi saying middle dimensions - just in between the very large and the very small). Atoms don't really exist as little balls floating in a vacuous space - That is a VERY old idea - Long been superceeded (sure that't not spelt right). Matter itself is just a manifestation of energy - Energy pockets that exist in 26 dimensional (7 to some, 11 to some, depending on which theory) hyperspace, according to M-Theory, the updated string theory. Cause and effect is how we're used to dealing with things, but it's not what the universe runs on - It's just a simplified way of explaining certain manifestations in this particular scale of everyday existance. Every point in space/time does actually reference each other -In a sense every point in time and space is totally interconnected at all times... And some fringe scientists have attempted to link that to collective consiousness (/God), precognitive thought, remote viewing, premenitions, ghosts, past life experience(/memories - afterall, memories are the only thing that connect us to who we are - if we shared memories we'd all realise we were the same person), etc... And yeah, it could well be the case - But I think deja vu is when a short-term memory is stored in the wrong place basically, making you feel like it was an old memory you've just relived... It's quite a common occurance in people with brain tumours - Although, I've definetly had some deja vu's which don't quite fit that mould. |
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"Death is not an event in life: we do not live to experience death. If we take eternity to mean not infinite temporal duration but timelessness, then eternal life belongs to those who live in the present." - Wittgenstein, in the Tractatus |
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when we die, we go back to the place we were before we were born. nowhere. i cant beleive some ppl think just because they have a consciounce that their gonna live forever how egotistical is that! |
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All living things are more or less concious. |
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yes i know |
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If you were born from nowhere once, why not twice? |
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Then how can you say you're 'you' if 'this life' is essentially nothing. Like, 'Oh, I used to be Shakespeare, but I am re-born now as me.' Same deal. Doesn't make sense. |
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Well this discussion is impossible without being able to quantify or define the "self". To me, I see the individual self as a concept created by a small part of the brain - Memories and your sensory organs give you a sense of place and being, and linear continuarity. Ultimately all I believe in is a single energy and consiousness. Everything else is just manifestations of this energy and order involved in a cosmic dance. But that's just me - Certainly, whether I come from a spiritual or a scientific perspective, I always end up at the same conclusion these days.. And I see death as a liberating experience, rather than a termination of a certain "arrangement" of energy. |
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The self doesn't exist as much as time doesn't exist. It's just a quantified measurement (inches, meters); "All the matter in this space is "YOU"" |
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