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No pretense, I'm really curious. I refuse to do drugs because of potential brain damage; knowing about it, how can you guys do them? Most drugs have had it proven that they have serious adverse effects, and even if those studies have been disproven, a 1% chance that something goes wrong is enough to make me panic. Besides I've seen drugs melt people's brains. so really, it doesn't bother you? that is all. |
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do you drink? (alcohol) |
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Oh don't go there, here on this board we have a collective of drug-users front who will aggressively deny all of your statements and claim the opposite instead. It's depressing really. |
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nope, same reason |
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no it doesnt bother me. you get brain damage from just sneezing, or inhaling car fumes. you get cancer from anything you eat these days. do you think you'll live to be a 100 years old by refraining from 'drugs' ? really curious or not, you sound like a real wanker to me. |
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there's no way to quantify experience... i personally don't take much in the way of heavy drugs... i drink, i smoke pot( a lot ), i drink coffee... that's about it... i have done mushrooms many times in the past, but they just depress me the same way when i do them, so there's no point anymore... but basically, people who do drugs (hopefully) are weighing the value of the experience (for them) against the potential harmful effects to their health... |
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You better become ridiculously successful and miserable. Or else. I'll feel sorry for you. |
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I just had to ask, the last thing I want is an ideological debate or to appear snobby or whatever. and my argument isn't "they're bad", it's "they _may_ be bad, which is scary enough" |
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dude, there's no reason for you to insult him... he certainly didn't insult you... |
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We do drugs cause life sucks |
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If you get a little drunk, there is no brain damage at all. |
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Dead8: Well, the only thing of value to me in my whole life is my brain, period, so you can see how I prioritize. I also don't do them because I figure I should be able to enjoy myself without them, but that's a lame argument because where do you draw the line between what you should and shouldn't allow yourself to enjoy? mapp: I'm miserable already, but please don't ever pity me j198: true everything kills brain cells, but I figure I shouldn't contribute to that. No need to descend to name calling, by the way. I live in NYC and see lots of drug use; my brother uses heavy shit all the time. I felt comfortable asking this here and am glad I did. |
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mapp, isn't there always even a little? I mean, I figure your brain doesn't feel funny and that's it--if a chemical is affecting it, there is a high chance of there being some effects along with it. (oh eh, I haven't been this prude all of my life.. just lately especially.. I had a bad semester in college where I got trashed 3x in 2 months, maybe not much here but certainly more than nothing) |
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that was a really bad argument |
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yeah life sucks, but like I said earlier I don't want to depend on a chemical to improve it--I count on myself to have that power. Don't take this as me judging people who do so poorly, by any stretch--I try hard never to press my beliefs on others (unless you get in a programming argument with me, just kidding)). thanks for the answers guys, I felt bad asking this, since it can likely be taken antagonistically |
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i just have a problem with his attitude i guess. to me he does indeed do sound very snobby or whatever. drugs may be bad, and they may also be good in a lot of other ways. to me, something like busy traffic is scary, not something that could potentially kill a few braincells. i'm not saying everyone should do drugs. its your own choice. so you don't do drugs. good for you. the people who do, however, have their reasons |
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I don't do most drugs (just occassionally have a social drink and smoke) but mostly because I am real big on not being cool. Said cool is the ghost that spends upwards $50 a month supporting a harmful habit. Sure we all die, but it's that will to exist that keeps me from racing to the end. |
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appart from doing some damage to the ol brain, drugs alter your perceptions etc..... how do you feel about that side of drugs sneakattack? |
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Getting a little drunk every once in a while is better for you than not drinking at all. |
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in order to enjoy yourself in life you have to accept the fact that enjoying yourself kills you. end of story. |
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Yeah, living is dying really. |
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You have to know that everyone has his own addiction : sex, food, exercise, wifebeating.... everything is connected to substances like endorphin for example. Exactly like heroin |
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you already encounter a countless number of risks simply by living... taking drugs adds more risks - it can add just a little bit of risks (weed), or a lot of risks (lsd for example)... i think it's worth it when the pleasures you get are greater than the risks you take... (but of course, there's no way to really measure and compare) |
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good question thats awesome you dont drink, im 29 and ive probably only drank 12 pack my whole life never smoked anything, ever, no cigarrets or pot when i was in high school i did take acid about 50 times and shrooms about 30 times the thought of it killing your brain cells, it is possible if you over due taking drugs very heavily all the time, but i think that recreational use if kept in modertaion does little harm it will be different for everryone, of course i havent done any drukqs, except music for about 10 years it was just a phaze in high school if you gave me a mushroom would i do it again ? hell yeah, the shrooms were great, like an on/off button from the high would i ever do acid again ? hell no, everytime i did them when i was done id vomit and wold feel like shite for about 5 hours, then sleep just use your brains, dont do them cause "everyone else is" |
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j198: it's ludicrous to awesome snobbery on my part, as I obviously love this place and am bringing up a unpopular opinion--I just have always wanted to ask people this before, and this was the only place comfortable with it. My brother, who I mentioned does lots heavily.. yeah bad idea asking him something like this. it has been brought up marginally but he was most unconcerned about damage (he himself candidly referred to it as brain damage). hobbes: I haven't tried many, but I'd rather find enjoyment in all the 33989423 other things I also haven't experienced kochlear: I dunno.. isn't learning fun? I don't mean I can do it all day, but I'm saying I don't want to accept such a pessimistic view |
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i see what you mean... but in my experience (which is personal and highly subjective of course), mind altering substances have helped my brain... not in a material manner, as in -my memory is better or - i can do math better now... but rather, the act of viewing the world through a substance that alters my perception helps me view the world from multiple angles... i was trying to explain this to a straight-edge once, and he didn't seem to believe me, but i described how my experiences with mushrooms were valuable because the drugs put you in such a different frame of mind that you come to realize just how much we take for granted what we do, what we think, etc. -pot in particular, i think can be very valuable when you are listening to music/watching a movie... i always watch movies that i write essays on (i'm in Film studies at university) at least once while high... and some of my best insights about films come when i am high... pot focuses your attention, which is why, more and more, it is being used to treat such things as ADD... you might lose out on things in the periphery, but you gain something very intuitive from what is right in front of you... i won't deny for a second that my chronic marijuana use will and has lead to problems with processing in my brain... my short term memory isn't so great anymore... but i still feel that that which i gain from it outweighs the consequences... i certainly wouldn't say that everyone takes this attitude towards drugs... i know lots of people who waste their time with them, not really gaining anything from the experience... and i wouldn't insinuate that drugs are the only way to reach certain insights, etc. i probably wouldn't recommend them to someone who has no problem refusing them... but i do think society could afford to have a more ambivalent view towards things like marijuana, which 9/10 isn't hurting anyone any more than plenty of things that are legal for a person to do/consume... |
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i just let out a really wet fart this iced tea i've been drinking has a date of december 10th, 2003 on it. |
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I like to drink. Beer makes things funny. |
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"it's ludicrous to awesome snobbery on my part" That's damn near quotable. |
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oh _shit_ I meant to say 'assume' fuck |
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oh yeah I most definitely feel bored 99% of the time, feel that things are missing in life, and don't really enjoy anything, so figure that against me as you wish |
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have you got a speech to text editor thing going on there? |
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have a drink, go on, just the one. MMMMmmm. |
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find a hobby, get a girl, help the parents around the house skateboard, reed a book, draw, paint, masterbate, listen to music, skateboard some more get a pet, get a dog, look up more threads skateboard get another dog love, recycle |
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DeadEight: I really appreciate the clear reply. I do understand that it can bring new insight. I don't think this is surprising because though I would wish my intellect is good enough to synthesize things to the point at which I can theorize/expect/whatever everything, sometimes little small circumstances teach me all sorts of lessons, so obviously something like a drug could do this as well. Another thing is the fact that I am constantly panicky and irritated, which damages my level of efficiency severely.. it's very very likely that if I more thoroughly relaxed, overall I would be more productive. if I lose 3% of my brain to shit, but am happier such that do good work 10% more of the time, obviously the net is .. yeah I have attention problems so that part of what you said hits home. |
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no I do fuckups like that now and then, it's really embarassing. remember when you caught me on the orb <==> orkut one? massively embarassing. |
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i dont think you understood my question sneakattack insuch as your reply seemed weird :) |
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heh. BTW lived alone since 15 .. 22 now |
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i agree with you sneakattack, but for more 'philosophical' reasons i guess than scientific. life is a lot better without drugs. living in reality can take discipline but the reward is true happiness .. its only with a clear mind that you can truly appreciate that. |
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Sorry, i don't wish to appear that i am net-stalking you, waiting for you to slip up. I worry about this kind of stuff, but then i only tried maybe everything once. I still drink though, i like it. I had panic attacks and agarophonia for three years, but i think that was from not eating and overwork. What's my point.... David Bowie. David Bowie, lots of drugs, proper 60s and 70s drugs, smoked like a trooper, and look at him now. He's like some spritely sex elf. |
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hobbes: you mean the alter perceptions part? well, deadeight made some very valid points above, and I agreed with him.. I still feel however that I should be able to enjoy life without the help of a chemical like that though. I also said elsewhere that this is a weak argument as that's an extremely arbitrary line to draw.. as in, what else should I tell myself not to enjoy? etc. |
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Sodomy and country dancing. |
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dog_belch: hey hey hey, I enjoy having mistakes pointed out: makes me better! besides I love your posts.. I hope some day you'll return to the original avatar. I meant at some point to try other drugs, just to be able to formulate a decent opinion and then not do them again (always have been concerned about the brain, and have tremendous discipline), but I saw them kill my brother's brain, so that desire got squelched. Specifically with my brother I didn't talk to him for a year, then after that noticed that he talked 1/2 as fast, didn't say anything interesting, and his memory was _annihiliated_. lo and behold there was a reason. but anyway, I don't mean to make this all personal. drinking is quite nice, last time I had a beer I was in good spirits. |
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Concerning the addiction-business, it's all about moderation. I have this inherit sense of guilt/shame/regret for things I do that I feel are "Bad or Wrong". These things can include smoking, drinking, masturbating, sex, eating, swearing, stepping on an insect, sleeping, homework. In all of these cases it mostly has to do with how much I do these; e.g. get drunk every night, sleep all day, have sex with people I don't care about, doing too much homework (talk about evil), swearing in front of friend's parents, etc. If my need to engage in any of these outweighs that inherit sense of "Bad/Wrong", then I'd consider myself addicted. I eat too much, I'm addicted. |
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sorry, that should be incest and country dancing. You are free to explore sodomy. |
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heh, what about mansex and rap? |
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i wonder if we all need some kind of "drugs" (be it real drugs, or a passion, or friends, or music, or anything really - often several things)... maybe a person really happy with life, feeling free and all, wouldn't need anything... i don't know if this kind of person exists or not. (or maybe there are people who think they are like that, but aren't really - well, as long as they can still think they're free and never "fall down", it's all right!...) ...maybe thinking that we'd all need "drugs" and not believing someone could be "free" from it all could be a denial because of jealousy... and maybe not thinking that would be naive hope... ...i don't know. maybe human persons can't be free, maybe they can... maybe someday we will be all happy ghosts, living free and happy and all =) |
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this topic is growing fast...! *good night anyway : ) |
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I encourage exploration of mansex and rap. I recommend Nelly. |
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my hopes are pinned to the spectral veil of the happy ghosts. I have got to stop posting in this thread, it's like...i'm addicted.. *goes to fridge for more refreshing booze* |
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