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It seems to be an (un)fortunate fact of human existence that you always need things, real or imagined. period. Also, once you have something, it's hard to move away from in (physical addictions (chemicals, sex, etc.) are real killers in this regard). Many people accept this and live happy lives as a result. I hate this fact. |
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i dont think comparing drug taking to physical activity is valid. |
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i agree with you sneakattack that one should be able to enjoy life without the help of a chemical (unless you're very ill). in fact thats something a lot of drug users cant cope with. i'm not against drugs at all though. also i see great differences between certain drugs. |
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haha, the cute cherub imbibing in your avatar isn't you already drinking? yeah I plan on subliming into the life of a happy ghost, buoyed up on a cushion of.. never mind. wimp: one of my two closest friends, who happens to be concert pianist (you'll see why I'm bringing this up) loves eminem. I respect people who are so open tremendously. Anyway, I'll suggest to him that he buys it, and listen to it =) |
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why not? whatever you do, you have your brain ultimately filtering and processing the activity. everything in life is perceived--we don't have a direct plug into reality at all. and I mean, if drugs are 'bad', are dreams 'bad'? I absolutely _love_ dreams. are they real? no. |
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ok heres my personal example i exercise a lot. i feel the need to. but thats because i want to live a long life, its not done for escapist purposes. |
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yeah I bet there's a world of variety (not meant to be a pun, oh well). It's also hard to get off addictions, which makes those things scary. For instance I smoked cigarettes heavily a few months this semester, and though I quit really lust after them.. whatever. And yeah I'm bringing this up to point out internal contradictions. |
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escaping death |
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drugs are nice |
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Well, there is a pinnacle in exercise when endorphines are released. My father feels like he has to exercise every morning now. |
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i hope youre just trying to be clever when you say that :) |
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yeah sneakattack , i quit cigarettes after 12 years! i'm a well happy bunny about that. i still come across the"5 leaves left" notice once in a while though ;) |
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if you bring it into more conceptual territory, it's really difficult to say just what is a drug and what isn't... because in order to answer that question we'd have to have a much more clear idea of just where one's identity ends and the material world begins... let's say that drugs are defined as a material substance that you consume that alters your perception... well eating apples alters your perception (gives you energy, a concept of what apples taste like, how other tastes differ, etc.)... where do you draw the line... is it fair to draw it anywhere? |
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i also meditate daily. it is a totally natural means of relaxation. everything that most people need is in the nature of their own minds, to be trained and utilised lasting happiness comes from the discipline of the body and mind. synthetic means will only ever be temporary |
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Well, we're told that we supposedly have this 70% of the brain that is unused. I figure that section is for destroying with drugs. So as long as I'm sober 30% of the time I should be fine. |
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Not being clever. |
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PCP FOR EVERYONE!!!!!! *passes out the angel dust to everyone on xlt* this is not an option nigga! if you do not smoke this we have a problem. |
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rockenjohnny: sorry for the bad quip, annoyingly enough any argument can be batted around endlessly.. sorry =) .. and about your second post, I be exercize helps a shitload too; I need more. hobbes: heh, I hope I'm happy about it some point. It's been over a month, and I didn't smoke very long at all, and still want them each time I go outside!! deadeight: yeah I said something like that earlier.. but I think "what can severely hurt me" is as decent a line to draw as any. pomme hehe with my luck I'd probably eradicate the 30% which is used, and the rest would sit around, blissfully unharmed and lazy |
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Yeah that's something really weird; it always bothers me how much I enjoy simple physical activies. |
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Well, it's a "natural high on life". But my dad just feels like he has to exercise at the gym every morning now. It's gotten to the point where he feels down on the days he doesn't work out. |
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exactly - exercise itself is not a drug. it promotes natural processes within the body. |
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brightest page on the net. hands down. |
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thats alright, i meant to attach a smiley to the end of that post :) |
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I was talking about addiction, albeit to drugs, exercise, masturbating. |
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sneakattack dont even go there anymore, stop now or it will get harder!! cigs are defenitely part of the "drugs" i would highly not recommend. appart from the damage it does to the obvious places in our body, we have to submit to the lies of the terrifying tobacco industry and make them bigger and bigger, i hate them. if you are afraid of the damage that can be caused through drug intake, might aswell try one that has a bit of an effect. or maybe just stick to not taking any at all. :) oh! but you dont smoke anymore, good. at least you can compare "that" one to "reality". |
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Well since I don't use many chemicals (I even abstain medicines), especially when I started I could feel their effect quite strongly.. and if they're hitting my brain, it's possible they're doing something bad. it's sucky though, no matter what we're always avoiding some addictions. Sad how easily humans are led astray. I've always got something awful I'm throwing lots of energy away on.. and it's impossible to 100% predict which evils are worse. Like I said though, hurting the brain is crossing the line.. damn I'm repetetive |
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just for good measure thanks for the good info guys much appreciated |
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its an interesting thought. i could say that i feel displeased when i dont get out and exercise. but im stubborn about it not being an addiction. to me it feels more like a routine that i have dedicated myself to, and that id be letting myself down if i got lazy. also as your document suggests, the endorphins released in exercise are there to combat the pain associated with the workout. although running for ages makes me feel great, it doesnt make me feel unnaturally happy. i think theres a parallel there between our information |
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I agree. This is mostly a personal issue (about my father exercising). My point to SneakAttack was that physical harm aside, drugs have a tendency to become addicting (some due to chemical-dependency inhibitors). The reason for this is that life is filled with suffering and such, and certain substances and activities act as a distraction from that suffering-reality. This distraction is highly appealing, and many people get drawn into that reality-escaping behavior, often becoming dependent. Ultimately, life contains suffering, and to ignore or distract yourself from said suffering is to ignore life. We're all here (for whatever reason you wish to believe) living. It doesn't make sense to me to spend your waking, living hours escaping from life, especially by taking drugs. Don't even get me started on Afterlifers (poly and monotheists) who spend their entire lives waiting for some superficial "afterlife". Bah to nonesense. Bah to spending money on things that make the world less real. |
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jesus christ- i'm sure it's already all been said, but regardless i feel the need to put it in my own words 1 some people are always addicted to something- i went out with an N.A. girl once, and all her former addict friends had sattelite dishes, espresso machines, and a library of pornography that would make marlowe blush i'm not sure WHY they need these things (or why they needed coke to beging with) to make their lives complete, but they certainly seem to think they're neccessary to their wellbeing 2 people are always pushing instant gratification- it's just a really good seller-, go ahead turn on the t.v., it might take you a minute of flipping around, but you WILL find something on there to make you smile, 3 there's always someone with some random statistic which generalizes what should really be a much more in depth survey, to prove that whatever is good/bad for you and should/shouldn't be done regularly i guess the bottom line is not posting stupid messages on boards like this if you think that 'drugs' can cause lasting physical harm i suggest you look into all the things that aren't 'drugs' that are often worse for you, which our governments allow to be distributed to the populace on a regular basis if you don't know what i'm talking about, i'm sure someone here will break it down for you as for me i'm going to go smoke some pot and it HAS caused me lasting damage, the damage being i keep feeling the need to respond to useless arbitrary oppinionated threads to defend my addiction in comparison to seriously dangerous habbits, like television, fast food, or the educational system which we now endorse bye! |
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[I tried very hard to not be ideological. Like I said (typoed) earlier, it'd be ludicrous to structure an attack of this form on the community, given that (a) I like it here and (b) what the minority/majority is. I was just asking. I made it quite clear that I have many arbitrary/contradictory aspects (as does everyone). read before you flame] |
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i prefer not to think of the possible damage...there's plenty of things i should start doing different, to stay in perfect condition...but then again, some pot can't hurt that much, and it helps lower my nervousnes and stress quite a bit! |
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I agree with sneakattack here, mainly. Though I don't care either way, not enough to make a topic about it and not enough to read everything that's been typed... 80 some odd posts, too much for a subject I'm just completely indifferent to by this point. I don't do drugs, but not really because of the health risks or any beef against them... I just don't don't want to spend money or time doing them, I'm constantly busy doing some silly stupid thing and I don't think it would help me to be ''altered'' in any way during said silly stupid things. I need to be sober minded at all times. Plus I have an addictive personality and smoking pot would quickly lead to LSD and then heroin and then bone marrow or something. I don't smoke or drink or anything, no reason to. But by all means, go get smashed, I don't think any of less of people that do. I'd think less of me if did, though. That may or may not be deep. |
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drugs have FUCKED MY LIFE UP PERMANENTLY |
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but ohhh golly they sure are good yessah! |
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when i got into drugs, i was soo young and naive to really know and be aware of how damaging drugs are to you. i quickly learnt though.. and im straight edge now and extremely paranoid of brain damage from everything. |
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Drugs are not good or bad. If someone abuses a drug, then it is the abuse that is "bad". If someone's mental framework goes badly with a drug, then it is unfortunate, but we live and learn by experince. If someone takes a drug without proper knowledge of it, where there is some, like "drink water when taking E, but don't take too much", and then die of either a Dehydration-related collapse, or, as has happened after Governmental-induced paranoia about this, from drinking too much water, then that is unfortunate. Don't blame the drugs. |
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hurting the brain? are you 12? do you go out on the streets with a helmet on becuase there's the same risk of hurting your brain by not doing that as smoking pot. don't you know anyone who uses drugs? do you really notice any brain damage on them? some times it's wise to not believe everything your mom tells you |
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I don't. I've worked in the psychiatry, and seen a lot of young guys ending there because of drug-use. |
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Yes, it is odd how the pro-drug camp neatly sweep that fact under the carpet... Sure you can get brain damaged through head injuries in a car crash or from a fall, but why add another possible (and unneccasary) cause to the list? The analogy made to alcohol is an often used and extremly weak one. Certainly, "proper alcoholics" are just as messed up as full blown heroin addicts. However, what percentage of people who drink on a regular basis ever become real alcoholics? 2 or 3% tops. Compare that to people who use hard drugs regularly. How many regular, recreational crack users go on to become full blown addicts (even if they later manage to kick the habit)? A lot more than 2 or 3%... You can argue that some people are self destructive and will always find ways of screwing themselves up. That's certainly true of some people, but all drug users? For a lot of them, it's their lust for life and wanting to see what things are like that makes them try drugs in the first place. I've known a few bright, pleasant people who've become utter arseholes and pissed their life away through substance abuse and in one case, died because of it. |
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And the effects of alcohol is well-known. The effects of all the new drugs in the market are not. |
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tolstoyed: yeah I definitely know what you mean, a few times here I mentioned that I'm kinda a wreck, so my ideology clearly isn't so successful. ophecks: problem is that even though I don't judge people for not following my ideas, they often think I may.. oh well, so it is. But yeah the money part is silly as well. corrupted-girl: thanks for the comments, will keep in mind, good luck in the future and good job getting clean marlowe: definitely different people react differently, and in an earlier post I commented that for some (maybe myself, I wouldn't know) the physical/chemical damage is greatly offset by the psychological boon (that's obvious, sorry that I'm being so boring). OK: hi, yes I should wear a helmet, the world is a mess. Um, why don't you read the thread some before saying silly comments? Also, I like your assumptions about me. I have had someone quite close to me get totally demolished by them (he can't remember something which was discussed _in_depth_ 15 minutes prior--and I know quite well how he used to be), as well as lots of friends lose motivation, energy, ability, focus, etc. But that's not why I'm posting. I was posting to ask questions, because I like this forum, and trust people's responses here. I expected many people to think I was being a snob, so, thanks. mortsto-x: I know what you mean, though for me it is mostly paranoia (without knowing anything), then ideology, then some knowledge (nice how that takes a backseat) |
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Yep, we've had alcohol for thousands of years... it is understood in intimate detail. The oldest (synthetic) recreational drug we have (and still use) is probably heroin which is what, 100 odd years old? Things like acid and ecstacy we've still not had for long enough for more than one generation to use them since late teens and to grow old. |
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Before someone brings out the "You like techno don't you? Everyone who makes Techno is on drugs. If you hate drugs so much, you shouldn't listen to Techno..." argument, I'd like to point out that a lot of that is youthful experimentation with hallucinogens and/or a lifelong relationship with weed. This isn't the same as being off your face on crack all the time or in a comatose state from tranquilisers 24/7. Oh and a lot of the founding father of (detroit) Techno don't touch drugs at all... |
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Drugs help teens get through a career in porn, so it can't be all that bad. Also, if drugs are so bad, why aren't they called bad-drugs. |
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*bump* Hey! Did everyone just overdose? Hallloooo?? Where'd everyone go? |
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ha! |
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i think id like to go on a retreat. |
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at times i worry about the 100 000 braincells i lose with that one beer, i dont care how many i may have. Also i quit smoking because i'd be pissed if i get longcancer. That of course gives me certainty of what i'll die of as well |
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