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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-04-23 07:50 [#01157477]
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(I still haven't gotten any explanation to "el O el")
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Doomed Puppy
from on and off and on and off and on 2004-04-23 07:56 [#01157496]
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L (=El) O (=o) L(=El)
Theoretical mathematics have the fewer axioms as a whole than any other system studied by man. Theoretically in time they will lead to the one equation that simulates the universe. (My post is full of axioms=crappy english+inability to express myself+stupidity^2)
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VLetr
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-04-23 07:57 [#01157501]
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Yeah a lot of people equate "scientific" with "true". Science is a method, not a label of validity. And an all too often imperfect method, I must agree.
Psychology is all schemas and models but it's still pre-paradigmatic (ooh! Kuhn!), there are so many leaps forward to be made. I'm starting a grad entry medical degree in September, plan to be a psychiatrist. Or a neurologist if I can hack the competition.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-04-23 07:58 [#01157507]
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theoretically, yes.. but that's the problem with the entire system.. it's ONLY theoretically, and can NEVER be brought out of itself or applied to anything else.
Well.. I'm off.. gotta get home and make some dinner and shit.
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VLetr
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-04-23 08:02 [#01157513]
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But the machine running the calculations on this 'uber equation' would have to be external to the system it was simulating... and therefore outside the universe... bit of a head scratcher, that one.
The snake eats its tail. And ends up a smelly pile of partially digested, inside-out snake.
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Doomed Puppy
from on and off and on and off and on 2004-04-23 08:02 [#01157514]
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Human neurophysiology is compelling and chaotic.
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Doomed Puppy
from on and off and on and off and on 2004-04-23 08:07 [#01157530]
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Theoreticaly it will tend to simulate the system(if the universe is indeed limited as the physicists claim). By then we will have such a knowledge of ourselves and we will be able to get past that paradox. Ofcourse we will be gas clouds.
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VLetr
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-04-23 08:16 [#01157543]
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Blatantly. As you said earlier:
"my whole life is going through a lens...every thing I do or think. "
Much more efficacious to study the lens than the object, methinks.
If the neuro reductionists are right, eventually psychology (and therefore all human behaviour) will be reducible to the level of neuronal networks. And we'll all be permanently connected to the internet via implants in our hippocampus. (Imagine how distressing pop-up ads would be.)
This has gone so hilariously off-topic. What was that about America?
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Doomed Puppy
from on and off and on and off and on 2004-04-23 08:24 [#01157566]
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Centralisation is an practical inevitability. That applies to scientific knowledge as a whole as well. Specialisation of the knowledge of the individual is a very funny paradox.
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Ganymede
from Tlön, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius on 2004-04-23 09:16 [#01157605]
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Trying to get this back on topic: thanks for the sentiment expressed in the original post, Paul. It's much appreciated.
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pomme de terre
from obscure body in the SK System on 2004-04-23 09:17 [#01157606]
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thats what i was trying to say..
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-04-23 09:21 [#01157609]
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Didn't you want to move there?! Or is that off the cards now?
We all have to deal with an alarmingly high proportion of idiots in our day to day lives... not just the Americans ;)
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2004-04-23 09:23 [#01157611]
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I plan to become a recluse and live in the desert.
no allergies, no cold weather, and not many people around to bug me.
oh, and Ill finally have a full nights sky of stars!
THE PLAN IS FULL PROOF
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2004-04-23 09:25 [#01157615]
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could be a bummer if you're allergic to sand
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Oddioblender
from Fort Worth, TX (United States) on 2004-04-23 09:26 [#01157617]
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nice to see there's some sympathy for us. thanks, paul.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-04-23 09:31 [#01157624]
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THE PLAN IS FULL PROOF
Either that's a great (intentional) joke or you look silly! :D
I would like to live somewhere cold and remote ideally, but with v. high speed internet access. I'd also like an entirely self sufficient, low maintenance house (solar and wind power, etc. self filtering supply of water through the rough, etc.)
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-04-23 09:32 [#01157627]
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And look, now I look like an idiot for forgetting to close my HTML tags.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2004-04-23 10:32 [#01157745]
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intentional :-P
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kochlear
from aud-stim.com on 2004-04-23 14:47 [#01158151]
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people who don't live in america know so much about what living in it is like.
-.-
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DeadEight
from vancouver (Canada) on 2004-04-23 15:02 [#01158174]
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this is a good cause... cool americans (and i know that lots of you exist), i extend you my deepest sympathies... hopefully you can take back your country, and proceed with helping your brothers and sisters in improving the world (though surely, such progress needs no autonomous state to happen)
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kochlear
from aud-stim.com on 2004-04-23 15:06 [#01158175]
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ceri makes a good point. there are stupid people in every country regardless of which it is. a certain percentage of the world population is stupid, so given that america has an extremely large population, it makes sense that there's more stupid people here than in Austria or something.
too many people on this board either 1) take part in ignorant generalization when it comes to americans, or 2) receive a few billion messages (1 from every citizen in america) daily, describing in detail their daily activities, thus giving the recipient actual knowledge on the subject and giving their opinion some merit.
chances are 0% it's #2.
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Dolleater
from Afrika Bambaataa on 2004-04-23 15:09 [#01158178]
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Life here isnt as bad as life in Iraq I rekon. I'd like to offer a gesture of solidarity to my insurgent comrades fighting a bloody insurection in Falluja.
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DeadEight
from vancouver (Canada) on 2004-04-23 15:15 [#01158189]
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but the experience of the average citizen in any given country is drastically different... the climate engendered by America's hypercapitalism is such that a large, large segment of the population is basically spoonfed the most ridiculous ideas imaginable so that the higher-ups can maintain control over their country and the world... for some americans it must take a hell of a lot of work to find a reliable newssource... it's not like you can just turn on the television and find one... television, which has become the primary source of communal information (due to the lack of time that americans have because of the hypercapitalist system's demands upon them)... and it is nothing more than a tool of perpetuating the ideology of the ruling class (in a very UNSUBTLE manner)...
to compare this with my experience in canada (which i only use, because it would be silly for me to speculate about somewhere i don't know... and i believe i can at least speculate reasonably about america because i have spent considerable time there, not to mention the fact that i do have just as easy access to their media sources on a daily basis)...
we are fed news from CBC, BBC, and the American networks.. and the message varies in such a manner, that one can;t help but hold the source(s) suspect...
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2004-04-23 15:27 [#01158207]
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here's my distant observation. You all are arrogant cunts..
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DeadEight
from vancouver (Canada) on 2004-04-23 15:33 [#01158221]
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i would assume that you are referring to me amongst others, and i'd just like to make clear that i don't feel that there is anything inherently "stupid" or "misguided" about americans... they just happen to be at the centre of the ideological storm that is the source of a great deal of miseducation on this planet (especially when it is wielded as though it were the monolithic source of truth in the universe)
if you don't feel that large portions of your population are misguided by such ideological forces, than it is certainly your right to find me arrogant...(it's your right regardless... i just want to make it clear that i'm trying to sympathize... and my argument is geared in such a manner that any "elevated" state which would render me "arrogant" has been foregrounded as arbitrary...)
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2004-04-23 15:58 [#01158257]
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The majority of secular parallax life forms I bargain matter energy with are well informed, well read, non-scapegraces. I surmise it depends on where you bide. America is not as homogenized as you would like to envisage. Most entities here are aware that they are being hornswoggled and have an ecumenical diffidence of the telecommunications divisions and governing bodies that be. One thing that all of these disaparate kinsmen believe in together; Europeans smell like shit and talk down to you.
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DeadEight
from vancouver (Canada) on 2004-04-23 16:00 [#01158259]
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i think the point of this thread is to acknowledge the fact that america is not homogenized...
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2004-04-23 16:07 [#01158271]
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Than it shouldn't be such a bad place. Since you could always get away from what you don't like. Aye?
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2004-04-23 16:09 [#01158274]
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Although, yes there is plenty of destructive bullshit that happens in our government. Like not legalizing drugs! Fucking self serving cunts.
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DeadEight
from vancouver (Canada) on 2004-04-23 16:14 [#01158279]
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i'm sure you are absolutely right about that (as pervasive as the dominating values are in america)... but this is also about a perceived homogeneity on the part of the outsider, which, at some point, will probably invade your life in a very big way... there are individuals across the world who do view you (as an american) as part of the force that is ripping this world apart, and the chances are not so slim that out of desperation, you will be victimized by their anger towards what you've come to be associated with... (either directly, indirectly, or through the reactions of the US government who might infringe upon your rights in the name of protecting you from these parties...)
...i'm not sure where i'm going with this...
*leaves to take a shower*
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2004-04-23 16:28 [#01158297]
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What someone perceives is out of my hands. The reason anything happens by anyone can be sourced to the desire to sustain the longevity of that persons image of themself or their beliefs. Everyone has an agenda. Everyone has principals. Some principals require action and some pricipals require non-action, but which creates a bigger outcome can never be predicted..
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pachi
from yo momma (United States) on 2004-04-23 16:42 [#01158314]
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Despite all the right wing agenda dominating most American media, we are fortunate to still find room for mental breathing. It just takes an independent conscious, abstinence from TV-watching, and a middle-finger attitude toward the corporate machine to throw off the clutches of the assimilation efforts of the nationalistic patriotism that blankets out land.
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pachi
from yo momma (United States) on 2004-04-23 16:43 [#01158316]
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our* land
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DeLtoiD
from Ontario on 2004-04-23 16:52 [#01158322]
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i have more respect for any country that takes the streets and burns cars over more than a fucking hockey game...
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DeadEight
from vancouver (Canada) on 2004-04-23 16:55 [#01158325]
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...like say for instance: a college basketball game (instead) :P
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DeLtoiD
from Ontario on 2004-04-23 16:57 [#01158327]
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yeah, or a football game etc etc
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2004-04-23 16:57 [#01158328]
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If nationalistic patriotism equaled "corparate efforts to push image of the ideal life into the mind of Americans" I would agree. Patriotism is not really in my face nearly as much.
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DeadEight
from vancouver (Canada) on 2004-04-23 16:58 [#01158330]
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perhaps not for you... but i do think that it is the case for some (and that is frightening)
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godataloss
from Cleveland (United States) on 2004-04-23 17:00 [#01158334]
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I love to be patronized by politically irrevalent cultures it makes me giggle
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2004-04-23 17:02 [#01158337]
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Well, most information I read and see about America in America is criticism, not blind acceptance.
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chaosmachine
from Ottawa (Canada) on 2004-04-23 17:04 [#01158339]
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godataloss
from Cleveland (United States) on 2004-04-23 17:08 [#01158343]
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I would have bush's head on a platter and Sadam back in his palace fat and happy then I could go on with my life ignoring genocide and aids in the african continent and that muslim dude with his foot on his woman's neck and a satchel of c4 strapped to his tummy
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goodbyegonzaguo
from Edinburgh (United Kingdom) on 2004-04-23 17:09 [#01158346]
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Irrelevant not irrevalent. Which culture are we referring to?
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godataloss
from Cleveland (United States) on 2004-04-23 17:14 [#01158351]
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All of Europe- you hypocrites (I hope I spelled it right- American public schools are shite too) talk smack about the US, but you all wish you were Americans living in America- the land of deodorant and proper dental hygine
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happy cycling
from berlin on 2004-04-23 17:19 [#01158358]
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if you go to http://www.migratemate.com/, a db of people looking to trade citizenships via marriage of convenience, more europeans are looking for a US citizenship than vice versa. that's because most people think of some suburban midwest wasteland because it has been getting a lot of media attention. you think paris doesn't have bland, cookie-cutter middle class suburbs..?
excuse me for not pitying those unfortunate citizens of such dull, lifeless cities as new york, san francisco, chicago, berkley, new orleans, etc.
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2004-04-23 17:23 [#01158365]
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You really want to know what I think? Partisan Politics will destroy the earth. When you have two sides so diametrically opposed you end up with tit for tat decision making. Which obliterates independent thought and independent observation. This is also the media in this country...Depends on who is in office, but there is always praise and always criticism. Never lateral thinking.
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Doomed Puppy
from on and off and on and off and on 2004-04-23 17:23 [#01158366]
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This is fucking pointless
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godataloss
from Cleveland (United States) on 2004-04-23 17:26 [#01158370]
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Republicans suck! If we could just invent a bomb to kill all the tight asses in america the rest of us hedonistic fags could take over the planet with window treatments and amylnitrate
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happy cycling
from berlin on 2004-04-23 17:26 [#01158371]
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ok, back to world-changing threads.
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Doomed Puppy
from on and off and on and off and on 2004-04-23 17:27 [#01158374]
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What do you mean?
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