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offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-04-23 07:50 [#01157477]
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(I still haven't gotten any explanation to "el O el")


 

offline Doomed Puppy from on and off and on and off and on 2004-04-23 07:56 [#01157496]
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L (=El) O (=o) L(=El)

Theoretical mathematics have the fewer axioms as a whole
than any other system studied by man. Theoretically in time
they will lead to the one equation that simulates the
universe. (My post is full of axioms=crappy
english+inability to express myself+stupidity^2)


 

offline VLetr from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-04-23 07:57 [#01157501]
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Yeah a lot of people equate "scientific" with "true".
Science is a method, not a label of validity. And an all too
often imperfect method, I must agree.

Psychology is all schemas and models but it's still
pre-paradigmatic (ooh! Kuhn!), there are so many leaps
forward to be made. I'm starting a grad entry medical degree
in September, plan to be a psychiatrist. Or a neurologist if
I can hack the competition.


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-04-23 07:58 [#01157507]
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theoretically, yes.. but that's the problem with the entire
system.. it's ONLY theoretically, and can NEVER be brought
out of itself or applied to anything else.

Well.. I'm off.. gotta get home and make some dinner and
shit.


 

offline VLetr from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-04-23 08:02 [#01157513]
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But the machine running the calculations on this 'uber
equation' would have to be external to the system it was
simulating... and therefore outside the universe... bit of a
head scratcher, that one.

The snake eats its tail. And ends up a smelly pile of
partially digested, inside-out snake.


 

offline Doomed Puppy from on and off and on and off and on 2004-04-23 08:02 [#01157514]
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Human neurophysiology is compelling and chaotic.


 

offline Doomed Puppy from on and off and on and off and on 2004-04-23 08:07 [#01157530]
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Theoreticaly it will tend to simulate the system(if the
universe is indeed limited as the physicists claim). By then
we will have such a knowledge of ourselves and we will be
able to get past that paradox. Ofcourse we will be gas
clouds.


 

offline VLetr from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-04-23 08:16 [#01157543]
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Blatantly. As you said earlier:

"my whole life is going through a lens...every thing I do or
think. "

Much more efficacious to study the lens than the object,
methinks.

If the neuro reductionists are right, eventually psychology
(and therefore all human behaviour) will be reducible to the
level of neuronal networks. And we'll all be permanently
connected to the internet via implants in our hippocampus.
(Imagine how distressing pop-up ads would be.)

This has gone so hilariously off-topic. What was that about
America?



 

offline Doomed Puppy from on and off and on and off and on 2004-04-23 08:24 [#01157566]
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Centralisation is an practical inevitability. That applies
to scientific knowledge as a whole as well. Specialisation
of the knowledge of the individual is a very funny paradox.


 

offline Ganymede from Tlön, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius on 2004-04-23 09:16 [#01157605]
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Trying to get this back on topic: thanks for the sentiment
expressed in the original post, Paul. It's much appreciated.


 

offline pomme de terre from obscure body in the SK System on 2004-04-23 09:17 [#01157606]
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thats what i was trying to say..


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-04-23 09:21 [#01157609]
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Didn't you want to move there?! Or is that off the cards
now?

We all have to deal with an alarmingly high proportion of
idiots in our day to day lives... not just the Americans ;)


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2004-04-23 09:23 [#01157611]
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I plan to become a recluse and live in the desert.

no allergies, no cold weather, and not many people around to
bug me.

oh, and Ill finally have a full nights sky of stars!

THE PLAN IS FULL PROOF


 

offline earthleakage from tell the world you're winning on 2004-04-23 09:25 [#01157615]
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could be a bummer if you're allergic to sand


 

offline Oddioblender from Fort Worth, TX (United States) on 2004-04-23 09:26 [#01157617]
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nice to see there's some sympathy for us. thanks, paul.


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-04-23 09:31 [#01157624]
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THE PLAN IS FULL PROOF

Either that's a great (intentional) joke or you look silly!
:D

I would like to live somewhere cold and remote ideally, but
with v. high speed internet access. I'd also like an
entirely self sufficient, low maintenance house (solar and
wind power, etc. self filtering supply of water through the
rough, etc.)


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-04-23 09:32 [#01157627]
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And look, now I look like an idiot for forgetting to close
my HTML tags.



 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2004-04-23 10:32 [#01157745]
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intentional :-P


 

offline kochlear from aud-stim.com on 2004-04-23 14:47 [#01158151]
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people who don't live in america know so much about what
living in it is like.

-.-


 

offline DeadEight from vancouver (Canada) on 2004-04-23 15:02 [#01158174]
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this is a good cause... cool americans (and i know that lots
of you exist), i extend you my deepest sympathies...
hopefully you can take back your country, and proceed with
helping your brothers and sisters in improving the world
(though surely, such progress needs no autonomous state to
happen)


 

offline kochlear from aud-stim.com on 2004-04-23 15:06 [#01158175]
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ceri makes a good point. there are stupid people in every
country regardless of which it is. a certain percentage of
the world population is stupid, so given that america has an
extremely large population, it makes sense that there's more
stupid people here than in Austria or something.

too many people on this board either 1) take part in
ignorant generalization when it comes to americans, or 2)
receive a few billion messages (1 from every citizen in
america) daily, describing in detail their daily activities,
thus giving the recipient actual knowledge on the subject
and giving their opinion some merit.

chances are 0% it's #2.


 

offline Dolleater from Afrika Bambaataa on 2004-04-23 15:09 [#01158178]
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Life here isnt as bad as life in Iraq I rekon. I'd like to
offer a gesture of solidarity to my insurgent comrades
fighting a bloody insurection in Falluja.


 

offline DeadEight from vancouver (Canada) on 2004-04-23 15:15 [#01158189]
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but the experience of the average citizen in any given
country is drastically different... the climate engendered
by America's hypercapitalism is such that a large, large
segment of the population is basically spoonfed the most
ridiculous ideas imaginable so that the higher-ups can
maintain control over their country and the world... for
some americans it must take a hell of a lot of work to find
a reliable newssource... it's not like you can just turn on
the television and find one... television, which has become
the primary source of communal information (due to the lack
of time that americans have because of the hypercapitalist
system's demands upon them)... and it is nothing more than a
tool of perpetuating the ideology of the ruling class (in a
very UNSUBTLE manner)...

to compare this with my experience in canada (which i only
use, because it would be silly for me to speculate about
somewhere i don't know... and i believe i can at least
speculate reasonably about america because i have spent
considerable time there, not to mention the fact that i do
have just as easy access to their media sources on a daily
basis)...

we are fed news from CBC, BBC, and the American networks..
and the message varies in such a manner, that one can;t help
but hold the source(s) suspect...


 

offline bogala from NYC (United States) on 2004-04-23 15:27 [#01158207]
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here's my distant observation. You all are arrogant cunts..


 

offline DeadEight from vancouver (Canada) on 2004-04-23 15:33 [#01158221]
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i would assume that you are referring to me amongst others,
and i'd just like to make clear that i don't feel that there
is anything inherently "stupid" or "misguided" about
americans... they just happen to be at the centre of the
ideological storm that is the source of a great deal of
miseducation on this planet (especially when it is wielded
as though it were the monolithic source of truth in the
universe)

if you don't feel that large portions of your population are
misguided by such ideological forces, than it is certainly
your right to find me arrogant...(it's your right
regardless... i just want to make it clear that i'm trying
to sympathize... and my argument is geared in such a manner
that any "elevated" state which would render me "arrogant"
has been foregrounded as arbitrary...)



 

offline bogala from NYC (United States) on 2004-04-23 15:58 [#01158257]
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The majority of secular parallax life forms I bargain matter
energy with are well informed, well read, non-scapegraces. I
surmise it depends on where you bide. America is not as
homogenized as you would like to envisage. Most entities
here are aware that they are being hornswoggled and have an
ecumenical diffidence of the telecommunications divisions
and governing bodies that be. One thing that all of these
disaparate kinsmen believe in together; Europeans smell like
shit and talk down to you.


 

offline DeadEight from vancouver (Canada) on 2004-04-23 16:00 [#01158259]
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i think the point of this thread is to acknowledge the fact
that america is not homogenized...


 

offline bogala from NYC (United States) on 2004-04-23 16:07 [#01158271]
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Than it shouldn't be such a bad place. Since you could
always get away from what you don't like. Aye?


 

offline bogala from NYC (United States) on 2004-04-23 16:09 [#01158274]
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Although, yes there is plenty of destructive bullshit that
happens in our government. Like not legalizing drugs!
Fucking self serving cunts.


 

offline DeadEight from vancouver (Canada) on 2004-04-23 16:14 [#01158279]
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i'm sure you are absolutely right about that (as pervasive
as the dominating values are in america)... but this is also
about a perceived homogeneity on the part of the outsider,
which, at some point, will probably invade your life in a
very big way... there are individuals across the world who
do view you (as an american) as part of the force that is
ripping this world apart, and the chances are not so slim
that out of desperation, you will be victimized by their
anger towards what you've come to be associated with...
(either directly, indirectly, or through the reactions of
the US government who might infringe upon your rights in the
name of protecting you from these parties...)

...i'm not sure where i'm going with this...

*leaves to take a shower*


 

offline bogala from NYC (United States) on 2004-04-23 16:28 [#01158297]
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What someone perceives is out of my hands. The reason
anything happens by anyone can be sourced to the desire to
sustain the longevity of that persons image of themself or
their beliefs. Everyone has an agenda. Everyone has
principals. Some principals require action and some
pricipals require non-action, but which creates a bigger
outcome can never be predicted..


 

offline pachi from yo momma (United States) on 2004-04-23 16:42 [#01158314]
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Despite all the right wing agenda dominating most American
media, we are fortunate to still find room for mental
breathing. It just takes an independent conscious,
abstinence from TV-watching, and a middle-finger attitude
toward the corporate machine to throw off the clutches of
the assimilation efforts of the nationalistic patriotism
that blankets out land.


 

offline pachi from yo momma (United States) on 2004-04-23 16:43 [#01158316]
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our* land


 

offline DeLtoiD from Ontario on 2004-04-23 16:52 [#01158322]
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i have more respect for any country that takes the streets
and burns cars over more than a fucking hockey game...



 

offline DeadEight from vancouver (Canada) on 2004-04-23 16:55 [#01158325]
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...like say for instance: a college basketball game
(instead) :P



 

offline DeLtoiD from Ontario on 2004-04-23 16:57 [#01158327]
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yeah, or a football game etc etc

:þ


 

offline bogala from NYC (United States) on 2004-04-23 16:57 [#01158328]
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If nationalistic patriotism equaled "corparate efforts to
push image of the ideal life into the mind of Americans" I
would agree. Patriotism is not really in my face nearly as
much.


 

offline DeadEight from vancouver (Canada) on 2004-04-23 16:58 [#01158330]
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perhaps not for you... but i do think that it is the case
for some (and that is frightening)


 

offline godataloss from Cleveland (United States) on 2004-04-23 17:00 [#01158334]
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I love to be patronized by politically irrevalent cultures
it makes me giggle



 

offline bogala from NYC (United States) on 2004-04-23 17:02 [#01158337]
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Well, most information I read and see about America in
America is criticism, not blind acceptance.


 

offline chaosmachine from Ottawa (Canada) on 2004-04-23 17:04 [#01158339]
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offline godataloss from Cleveland (United States) on 2004-04-23 17:08 [#01158343]
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I would have bush's head on a platter and Sadam back in his
palace fat and happy then I could go on with my life
ignoring genocide and aids in the african continent and that
muslim dude with his foot on his woman's neck and a satchel
of c4 strapped to his tummy


 

offline goodbyegonzaguo from Edinburgh (United Kingdom) on 2004-04-23 17:09 [#01158346]
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Irrelevant not irrevalent.
Which culture are we referring to?


 

offline godataloss from Cleveland (United States) on 2004-04-23 17:14 [#01158351]
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All of Europe- you hypocrites (I hope I spelled it right-
American public schools are shite too) talk smack about the
US, but you all wish you were Americans living in America-
the land of deodorant and proper dental hygine


 

offline happy cycling from berlin on 2004-04-23 17:19 [#01158358]
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if you go to http://www.migratemate.com/, a db of people
looking to trade citizenships via marriage of convenience,
more europeans are looking for a US citizenship than vice
versa. that's because most people think of some suburban
midwest wasteland because it has been getting a lot of media
attention. you think paris doesn't have bland, cookie-cutter
middle class suburbs..?

excuse me for not pitying those unfortunate citizens of such
dull, lifeless cities as new york, san francisco, chicago,
berkley, new orleans, etc.


 

offline bogala from NYC (United States) on 2004-04-23 17:23 [#01158365]
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You really want to know what I think? Partisan Politics will
destroy the earth. When you have two sides so diametrically
opposed you end up with tit for tat decision making. Which
obliterates independent thought and independent observation.
This is also the media in this country...Depends on who is
in office, but there is always praise and always criticism.
Never lateral thinking.


 

offline Doomed Puppy from on and off and on and off and on 2004-04-23 17:23 [#01158366]
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This is fucking pointless


 

offline godataloss from Cleveland (United States) on 2004-04-23 17:26 [#01158370]
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Republicans suck! If we could just invent a bomb to kill
all the tight asses in america the rest of us hedonistic
fags could take over the planet with window treatments and
amylnitrate


 

offline happy cycling from berlin on 2004-04-23 17:26 [#01158371]
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ok, back to world-changing threads.


 

offline Doomed Puppy from on and off and on and off and on 2004-04-23 17:27 [#01158374]
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What do you mean?


 


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