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offline Asche XL on 2004-04-20 17:06 [#01153112]
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http://www.theembassyvfx.com/qt/tetra.mov

LAZY_TITLE


 

offline pantalaimon from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2004-04-20 17:18 [#01153132]
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thats pretty cool, they look kinda scary though... i doubt
anyone would want to mess with them. Strange that things
like this will be a big possibility in the future...
probably not in my lifetime but still


 

offline Asche XL on 2004-04-20 17:20 [#01153138]
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Not in your lifetime?

Think about it:
a) Computer technology doubles every 6 months (estimated)
- think of the computer technology we have now
b)Honda ( i think, or some japanese company) already has
"robots" that can dance and do all other crazy shit already

I wouldn't be too suprised seeing these things in my
lifetime


 

offline X-tomatic from ze war room on 2004-04-20 17:25 [#01153145]
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That was a cool vid.


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-04-20 17:35 [#01153156]
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a dancing robot is something completely different from
something like this.

this would have to be functional for hours on end, should be
able to stand the conditions of the place where it is,
should ABSOLUTELY NOT malfunction - seeing as it would be
carrying a rifle (!!) etc.

I think this will still take some time.


 

offline Asche XL on 2004-04-20 17:40 [#01153165]
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haha yeah, I guess if you factor in all those variables...

damn impluse posting! i should stop


 

offline apydiagirls from city (United Kingdom) on 2004-04-20 17:46 [#01153178]
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Qrter makes a good point.If you think about it,the original
Robocop movie had enough savy to warn what could happen if a
machine given those responsibilties did get out of
control.And I definately think that technology is constantly
being developed that is not reported to the general public
which will suddenly "appear" on the market when people in
power think the time is right.Conspiracy theory's or not,I
still think it's kind of scary and developers should proceed
with caution.


 

offline Asche XL on 2004-04-20 17:47 [#01153180]
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Robocop, the matrix, etc etc, AI is a scary scary thing.


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-04-20 17:48 [#01153182]
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I wonder if you could run it over with a speeding car and
then have yourself a free rifle.


 

offline X-tomatic from ze war room on 2004-04-20 17:49 [#01153187]
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You could do that with a human cop too


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-04-20 17:50 [#01153190]
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true, but the moral consequences figure differently.

it is, after all, only a machine.


 

offline X-tomatic from ze war room on 2004-04-20 17:52 [#01153197]
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I don't think someone with intentions of running over the
robotcop to get its gun is really bothered by that anyway.
;)


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-04-20 17:53 [#01153201]
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I think you could be underestimating that factor..


 

offline aneurySm from Ypsilanti (United States) on 2004-04-20 23:38 [#01153419]
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dude.. you would get tried for killing a cop weather it's
robotic or human....

totally shafted!!


 

offline Sido Dyas from a computer on 2004-04-21 08:10 [#01154054]
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Awesome!!

I liked the Appleseed anime type look of them =)



 

offline princo from Shitty City (Geelong) (Australia) on 2004-04-21 08:35 [#01154085]
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I bet it doesnt have a sence of humour!



 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-04-21 08:39 [#01154096]
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Computer technology actually doubles approximately every 18
months. It hits the odd hiccup (like the heat problem of
2001/2002). Graphics cards advance faster than this, but
GPUs haven't been long enough for an accurate
prediction/measurement of this rate of increase to be
measured.

It is true that "proper" robots may be possible (or even
common) in our lifetime. One of the biggest hurdles was
making them walk properly due to the massive amounts of fast
processing power needed to maintain balance for a biped. Now
we have that, things ought to get interesting.


 

offline JAroen from the pineal gland on 2004-04-21 08:41 [#01154097]
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and, all this doubling eventually ends of course


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-04-21 08:54 [#01154111]
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One of three things is likely to happen:

It will reach a point where the heat is too much (with
current chip design, this is in the forseeable future).

We will branch out into other forms of chip design (quantum,
biological etc.). These will have far higher "maxing out"
thresholds.

Processors will become so fast that for all common
applications, they are plenty fast enough and developing
(and using) faster chips will be the sole preserve of
military/govt/pure science apps. An example would be when we
can render highly complex photo-realistic (and by that I
mean we cannot tell the difference, at all) scenes in
real time on large screens, complete with highly complex AI
for all characters in the scene.


 

offline JAroen from the pineal gland on 2004-04-21 08:55 [#01154116]
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you forgot about 4: the world ends tomorrow


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-04-21 08:56 [#01154118]
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If that happens, we'll have more important things to worry
about than "can we make the graphics/physics better in GTA
6". :)


 

offline roygbivcore from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2004-04-21 08:59 [#01154120]
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IRL?!?!


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-04-21 09:16 [#01154151]
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Yeah, they'd probably want to treat it (legally) as a police
officer, just like police horses/dogs...


 

offline Asche XL on 2004-04-21 11:17 [#01154354]
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I got that stat from a book called Visions by michio kaku

there is a point in time where we can only get fast enough
before we reach "instant". Beyond instant is forseeing into
the future, how close we are to instant is beyond me


 

offline Zephyr Twin from ΔΔΔ on 2004-04-21 11:38 [#01154379]
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god damn that movie was sweet... I enjoyed it more than
Matrix Part 2&3 combined. that thi

but was the robot (which, by the way, looks cool as hell. it
was definately appleseed style as someone else mentioned)
CGI or was that actually it performing all those tasks? If
it can do all the things they IMPLIED it could do (such as
distinguish between friendly and enemy targets, and make
decisions in the heat of battle), not to mention RUN AND
JUMP, I don't see why we wouldnt see those things on the
streets next year.


 

offline Zephyr Twin from ΔΔΔ on 2004-04-21 11:39 [#01154382]
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that thi*


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-04-21 11:45 [#01154395]
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I'm not familiar with it, but it's probably a book by a
futurist as opposed to a real world technologist?

It's definately 18 months, it's a well known pattern called
"Moore's Law". Looking back at a graph over the last 10
years, it's shocking how accurate it has proven to be. Most
predictions like that are wildly innacurrate or, even if
they are true to begin with, get more and more off over
time.

Good video by the way and as someone else said, I really
like the appleseed style "ears" it has :)


 

offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2004-04-21 11:54 [#01154420]
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that's definitely been composited in, if you pause it you
can see where they've basically pasted it into the frame as
a layer

also the HUD from the point of view of the machine has
MS-DOS directory listings on there

i doubt something as sophisticated as a policing robot would
be running DOS!

i'm actually getting scared that people are considering
using machines for purposes like this.

watch The Animatrix (The Second Renaissance) and see why I'm
scared


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offline Asche XL on 2004-04-21 11:57 [#01154430]
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yeah i saw that,(great anime series by the way)

just watch any robot attacking human movie! heh


 

offline Sido Dyas from a computer on 2004-04-21 12:01 [#01154444]
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Don't worry mate, as the movie implied they will be testing
it in poor countrys first =)


 

offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2004-04-21 12:04 [#01154449]
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Asche XL

yeah, i fucking love that series! i only saw Second
Renaissance Parts I & II on TV, and I went out and bought
the DVD the next day - after only having seen those two
episodes

I have been continually blown away by the artistic
techniques used in those pieces

Sido Dyas

lol!


 

offline Zephyr Twin from ΔΔΔ on 2004-04-21 12:31 [#01154539]
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hahahhah... I didn't even pick up on the DOS stuff.. thats
great..

but good sleuthing my friend. My question is... why make a
movie like this when none of it is even possible with
current technology... its like the creators are saying
"wouldnt this be FUCKING ILL DOOD? Yeah... well... we've
made 0% progress... but we've decided it would cool to
have!!"

all it managed to do was get my hopes up. Granted the idea
of that much power given to a robot is scary, but the idea
of sci-fi coming to life like is so fucking cool. =|


 

offline Zephyr Twin from ΔΔΔ on 2004-04-21 12:32 [#01154541]
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to life like that*


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-04-21 12:35 [#01154552]
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"that's definitely been composited in"

well.. duh!! :D


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-04-21 12:36 [#01154556]
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He he, I noticed the DOS too :) If you think about it,
robots wouldn't have computer screen type images overlaid
over their image feed like a sort of helmet HUD (like you
get in the first person bits of the terminator films)...
converting the data to visuals, then back from the visuals
into real figures would waste a lot of processing time- the
robot would just get the figures direct from its sensors
regarding ambient temperature, speed, whether this was their
target, threat detection etc. Unlike humans, computers do
not primarily work on visual stimuli and consequently their
"thought" as such is not in visual terms.


 

offline Zephyr Twin from ΔΔΔ on 2004-04-21 12:37 [#01154558]
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damn good point.


 

offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2004-04-21 12:40 [#01154564]
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well, as you pointed out in your own post

they're basically saying, "look, in the next few years it
will be possible to do this kind of thing"

look at the leaps and bounds we're taking in computing - not
just hardware

the 96Kb game that has been posted on here, that's a pretty
damn good breakthrough (ok, it's bugger all to do with
robotics, but it's something!)

look at how far operating systems have come in the past 5
years
look at how fast processors are now.....lookat how far
company's like Sony and Honda and shit like that have come
with robotics.

there's probably a thousand secret projects going on without
our knowledge that involves AI, robotics and shit.

Lockheed, the manufacturer of the F-117A stealth bomber are
supposedly in the process of making a system similar to
SkyNet (the computer system responsible for The
Terminator).....this is all getting too scary.

I tell you, in a few years from now, we'll all be facing a
scenario not too dissimilar from The Matrix, or The
Terminator


 

offline Sido Dyas from a computer on 2004-04-21 12:43 [#01154568]
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Cool!

Can't wait to dodge a bullit or freeze a kung fu kick in the
air! =)


 

offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2004-04-21 12:45 [#01154573]
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I do not trust that thing at all. But I don't doubt that
they could do something like that relatively soon. Maybe
they should only arm it with non-lethal bullets or a stink
bomb until they can work all the potential kinks out of it,
though.


 

offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2004-04-21 12:47 [#01154575]
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arm it with a stink bomb??

that's the most preposterous idea i've ever heard!

egads!


 

offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2004-04-21 12:49 [#01154576]
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maybe you could use that as one of your quote AV's??

;)


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-04-21 12:49 [#01154578]
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They'd field test it somewhere where the bystanders were
"expendable", like Johhanasburg as the video suggests...

Even if the couldn't make it good (ie Perfect) at
distinguishing between people and it was just a great
"killing machine", there'd still be applications for it,
like air dropping a squadron of them into enemy territory.


 


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