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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2004-04-19 20:17 [#01151382]
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I really like certain aspects of the game (especially the masks) but i really don't like the 3-day aspect of it.
i mean yeah it's cool for things to happen differently on those 3 days, but after you save a town and then go back to the begining and everything is bad again
i dunno it just feels like an empty gesture
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Oddioblender
from Fort Worth, TX (United States) on 2004-04-19 20:20 [#01151384]
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yeah, that was really my only barb with the game, however i do like how you have to be on your toes and not dilly-dally too much - really adds a lot of tension to the game. but at least once you get the song of soaring, the song of double time and open shortcuts to the bosses in dungeons, doing things in 3 days gets much easier.
but yeah, i understand what you mean. at least once you beat it, everything you did gets done regardless.
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2004-04-19 20:27 [#01151404]
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especially that girl at the romani ranch
no matter how many times i kill them aliens she'll get abducted :(
like when i didn't get them all i felt really fucking bad about it
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2004-04-19 20:28 [#01151405]
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is my avatar magic for anyone else?
sometimes it sticks at "pull the trigger" sometimes it's my face and sometimes its a combination of the two
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Oddioblender
from Fort Worth, TX (United States) on 2004-04-19 20:31 [#01151409]
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yeah, so did I. but your avatar is quite magical.
have you fought the boss at stone tower? *is vague so not to spoil anything for you*
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2004-04-19 21:21 [#01151481]
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no right now i'm at the great bay temple
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Oddioblender
from Fort Worth, TX (United States) on 2004-04-19 21:42 [#01151540]
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oh man - that stone tower boss battle...it's quite....bah! you just have to see!!! (that dungeon is also a trip)
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mappatazee
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a zelda rpg would be cool
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Oddioblender
from Fort Worth, TX (United States) on 2004-04-19 21:49 [#01151556]
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i dunno - i always felt the more action-based gameplay was an element that made it unique. i don't know if i would be comfortable with a zelda rpg - it would be quite a departure.
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-04-19 22:01 [#01151577]
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they need to do something. they've made the same damn game like...7 times?
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2004-04-19 22:29 [#01151587]
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plus Legend of Zelda: Wand of Gamelon
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-04-19 22:36 [#01151588]
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hahah, yes, I have read about that one
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Oddioblender
from Fort Worth, TX (United States) on 2004-04-20 10:17 [#01152241]
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hahaha!
but i agree, mappatazee, zelda could be taken to new levels. i want another game like link to the past - some more traveling between dimensions. good stuff.
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Jarworski
from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2004-04-20 10:27 [#01152263]
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WORST GAME EVER!
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-04-20 10:36 [#01152290]
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I agree, not the worst but it sucks.
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Oddioblender
from Fort Worth, TX (United States) on 2004-04-20 11:15 [#01152355]
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Wand of Gamelon or Majora's Mask?
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2004-04-20 11:23 [#01152378]
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i couldn't get into link from the past cause i don't know what the fuck i'm doing
i can't figure out how to get into any of the places where i need to get those medalians except the first one
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surrounded
from it won't be hard anymore to li on 2004-04-20 14:20 [#01152758]
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I completely disagree... ofcourse. But I'm starting to discover I'm one of the very few people who really likes Majora's Mask ;-)
It's only three days... but they really made the most of it. It's so detailed. More so than any other Zelda. There are no characters just wandering around without any real purpose. Everyone is actually doing something or going somewhere... it's awesome. I got into it so much.
Usely I dislike having time-pressure in a game. But in Majora's Mask I really enjoyed the apocalyptic atmosphere of it all. The music. The moon getting bigger and bigger. All the people fleeing to a safer place. Whenever I got to the end of the 3day cycle I always got goosebumps. I played the song of time only on the very last moment.
I can understand what you're saying but... well... I just don't see things that way. :-) I love all the things alot of people don't like about the game. Lucky me I guess.
Jarworski doesn't have a clue what he's talking about :-p
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Dael
from the low end (Australia) on 2004-04-21 04:24 [#01153697]
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ha, trust surrounded to disagree and backup every point with excellent detail, do you write game reviews?
but yeah, I've owned and spent a bit of time on Majora's Mask and whilst it seemed to be lacking some of the charming elements I enjoyed from OOT, I found that after a bit of effort embracing the 3 day cycle, it offered a level of suspense and sophistcation hard to find elsewhere. Trust the big N to deliver such gamplay.
...btw I had a lash of Crystal Chronicles the other night, how about those graphics!
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surrounded
from it won't be hard anymore to li on 2004-04-21 12:53 [#01154585]
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"do you write game reviews?"
That would indeed be cool but... no I don't. Imagine the life of those game-reviewers... developpers send them all their new games for free... then they get paid to play with them all day. And on top of that they get to give their detailed opinion about it to an audience that is actually interested to hear their opinion :-p What a life!
Crystal Chronicles does look really good. Probably also because you have no control over the camera. They could make the graphics to specificly look good from a fixed camera-angle. If you'd be able to zoom in the illusion might be broken. But nevermind that, as it is the game looks really beautiful :-)
I don't really like it though. It could have done with a little more variation I think. Maybe just 2 or 3 different attack-moves would have improved the gameplay alot!. It's supposed to be much more fun with multiple players. But I haven't been able to try that :-/
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Dael
from the low end (Australia) on 2004-04-21 22:01 [#01155196]
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that's a good point about the graphics in Crystal Chronicles, I'm sure the original resident evil wouldn't have looked anywhere as impressive if the camera was to move.
Since your a game guru surrounded, I wanted to see if you could solve a gaming issue of mine, I've got MarioGolf Toadstool Tour and I'm having trouble using codes for the game at the password entry screen. I'm presuming there's a difference between the PAL and NTSC codes but I haven't been able to find any info on the net anywhere? Any ideas?
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surrounded
from it won't be hard anymore to li on 2004-04-22 12:08 [#01155952]
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I'm playing the first Resident Evil (the remake) right now as it happens. (well not right now, but it's the game currently in my 'cube). It looks amazing. Especially the lighting is un-be-lie-va-ble!
That one room with all the crows... where the chandelier slowly swings back and forth, and all the shadows match the movement perfectly... it's amazing... really amazing.
Not to mention when you walk past a window and lightning strikes outside :-)
What sucks about such realistic graphics though, is that it makes the characters look shit. I mean they look pretty good in Resident Evil. But because the backgrounds are so smooth, you really start to notice all the polygon blockiness.
About your question... Mario Golf won't be out over here for another couple of months :-( So I obviously haven't played it yet... and can't help you with those passwords. Why does it have passwords in it anyway? Aren't passwords a thing of the past? Everything is just saved now right? Oh well. Sorry but I really wouldn't know what you have to do :-/
Good luck anyway!
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Oddioblender
from Fort Worth, TX (United States) on 2004-04-22 12:14 [#01155962]
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yes, crystal chronicles is much more fun in multiplayer, but you need GBAs for mulitplayer, which is kind of dumb, but also makes sense because you can open your menu without interrupting the action. however, when opening your menu, you are wide open to attack. you can combine spells for strong combo attacks, and combine spells+attacks for elemental damage. however, there are quite a few flaws in the game that really detract from the experience. that, and the gameplay gets repetitive very quickly.
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surrounded
from it won't be hard anymore to li on 2004-04-22 12:27 [#01155991]
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"but you need GBAs for mulitplayer, which is kind of dumb"
I know. What percentage of the people who bought FF:CC do you suppose actually get to experience the game to the fullest (4 player-mode)? I'm betting less than 10%
It's just so inconvenient. I hope for their next console Nintendo will just make a tiny monitor on the controller and get it over with.
Zelda Four Swords is supposed to be even better than FF:CC in 4-player mode. The action actually switches to the GBA-screen when you enter a building etc. It sound awesome! But how am I gonna find 3 people willing to play this game with me, who all have a GBA and a link-cable?
"but also makes sense because you can open your menu without interrupting the action."
Yeah I understand how it works. Maybe they should have made the GBA optional or something. I'm sure there would have been other solutions for the menus as well. (like maybe a small transparant menu that just appears on the tv).
Plus this game is hardly a proper rpg anyway. The menu's aren't nearly as big as complex, and you need to acces them far less often. I like the idea of connectivity, but making the multiplayer useless without GBA's was a dumb idea.
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Q4Z2X
on 2004-04-22 13:01 [#01156070]
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i'm going to hold off playing this, and most other games for the n64, gamecube and any other slightly-new systems, until they are considered "classics" and people are then mainly just playing hyper-randomly-generated-reality based games that have much less of a story because all integral characters in the game are other bored misfit players somewhere in the world trying to collectively fuck up the game..
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surrounded
from it won't be hard anymore to li on 2004-04-22 13:27 [#01156099]
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why? I mean why wait? Not to sound pessimistic or anything, but what if you get get runover by a truck tomorrow? Then you'll have never gotten a chance to play all those wonderful games.
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Q4Z2X
on 2004-04-22 13:49 [#01156155]
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i just don't play many games.. especially newfangled ones.. (not that this game is) but when i do play games now, i'm still catching up on the real "classics".. for nes, snes, genesis, etc.. there's so many great old games.. and i am liking these newer-style games less and less.. so i figure, by the time that games become so real that they are just pointless replacements for reality, i'll go and play the "classic" n64-era games, and everyone will laugh at the paltry graphics, but at least i will be playing something more surreal. ...however, i probably will get run over by a truck before that happens.
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2004-04-22 13:52 [#01156167]
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i finally got through the great bay temple
it was fuckin enfuriating, i got everything done but didn't have the boss key at 11:30 on the last day, had to start over
then i kept missing the jumps onto those water platforms
ugh
onto ikana
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2004-04-22 14:05 [#01156213]
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I've still never really gotten a chance to sit down and play Majora's Mask... and it tears me up inside.
These ''new style'' games are better than ever. There's a lot of shallow shit released these days, but there was even MORE back then. Glancing through my SNES rom collection, there's got to be 100 mindless Final Fight style beat 'em ups (granted, a few of them are fun as hell!).
Games will NEVER be ''pointless replacements'' for reality. They're becoming even more of an escape all the time. Imagine if a kid in 1987 could get a crack at Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas or Deus Ex. And when the graphics are good enough to completely emulate, say, a city street, pixel for pixel, it'll still be a sublime retreat... because you'll be able to do stuff you can't do in real life, like fire a rocket at somebody's face.
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Raz0rBlade_uk
on 2004-04-22 14:26 [#01156244]
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I downloaded the game from the internet and played it on an emulator. It was a bit jerky but still playable. I made my mistake when I put all the cheats on and flew around the map killing everyone. That kinda destroyed any chance of me finding the game interesting as I had discovered ever single place in the entire map. What a fool I was...
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Q4Z2X
on 2004-04-22 14:41 [#01156269]
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meh. there are now just realistic games that depict things that you wouldn't want to do in real life. the only thing unrealistic is there aren't accurate or detailed depictions of the consequences of those actions.
whereas most old games are more otherworldly. i mean, what can be more unrealistic than being able to only move in 2 dimensions, or being healed from some glowing sphere of some kind. i know many newer games have the same kind of things in them, but they usually try to cover up the fakeness of it, by changing that glowing sphere into a magical first aid kit, one that can heal several blasts to the head. they give you "save points" instead of just letting you die in the game and have to play the whole damn thing over again from a new life. they replace the impossible 2 dimensional acrobatics with impossible 3 dimensional acrobatics.
so, basically, video games will always be surreal, but nowadays it seems like they go out of their way a bit to make the surreal bits more believable, and to conceal the stupid impossibilities of the video-game world. i prefer the more fantastic type games.. and i know there are quite a few exceptions; newer games that utilise the extra power of the systems but still maintain the fun of the classic games they are expanding on. i'll be waiting for those games. i know the best will still be talked about in 10+ years, and they won't be talking about the graphics because they'll all be playing current games with 10 times the graphical power.. games that will again be replaced by the gimmick-ridden realness of newer games and so forth. only through time do we realise the true classics.. that's why no one wants to watch crappy '80s horror or sci-fi movies with laughable special effects. you'd watch them if the story was good, or it was entertaining, but you don't watch them for the sole purpose of being impressed by special effects and filming methods, the way that people do for current movies of that kind.
to sum it up, i'm a cheapskate who doesn't want to buy any
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Q4Z2X
on 2004-04-22 14:42 [#01156270]
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{continued} ..new system.
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Raz0rBlade_uk
on 2004-04-22 14:43 [#01156273]
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but then aren't we all cheapskates at heart?
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optimus prime
on 2004-04-22 14:45 [#01156275]
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ha.
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Raz0rBlade_uk
on 2004-04-22 14:55 [#01156284]
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Personally I like to think of it simply as, it's enjoyable to look at, it's spontanious and exciting, it measures up to what's expected in society. Because tastes and trends only evolve fowards, bigger and better and least of all, the storyline. You see I play happily through serious sam and I don't even know where the hell I am when I'm playing it.
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2004-04-22 15:50 [#01156415]
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I agree with some of your points. Some aspects of older games are lacking in these new ones. Games are too easy now, but that's to be expected since so much work goes into them these days and of course the developers want you to see it. It's more artistic than ever. I LOVE seeing a beautifully rendered gigantic arena, or an intimidating boss. Games like Ninja Gaiden, Ikaruga and Viewtiful Joe are holding the fort, though. And Metal Gear Solid is insanely tough on hard mode.
Games aren't just gimmicky now, though. Games are different than movies, the DEPTH increases as the technology grows. Things like Ratchet and Clank have tons of flash and even more substance, more than any SNES game. The sheer scope of it is awesome. And its totally ''fantastic''. Technology enables it to out ''fantasize'' any old game. The cut scenes are genuinely hilarious and there's no doubt that if they could have done that years ago, they would have. And the fun is totally in the gameplay.
But you know that already, like you said. You make some good points and I see where you're coming from but I personally agree with hardly any of them. Different strokes for different folks, eh. But for every brilliant game I can think of a Genesis or a Turbo Duo or a Jaguar (....), I can think of a souped up, deeper take on the theme on PS2 that sacrifices nothing in fantasy or challenge or what-have-you.
That said, my favorite systems of all time are SNES and Genesis, but even I have to admit that the nostalgia factor is ultimately what puts them over the top for me. Because I wouldn't spent nearly as much time playing Castlevania 4 if I could have had Symphony of the Night or Devil May Cry at the time.
PS- I'm a proud new owner of Majora's Mask! I went to pick up a PS2 Online Adaptor an hour ago (beginning Final Fantasy 11) and I saw this at Gameworld, snatched it up! Can't wait to play it.
I also got Jak and Daxter, Siren, and the first Dark Cloud (I have the awesome 2nd one) during that excursion. I'm crazy loaded,
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2004-04-22 15:52 [#01156420]
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''I also got Jak and Daxter, Siren, and the first Dark Cloud
(I have the awesome 2nd one) during that excursion. I'm crazy loaded,''
...but not for long, at this rate''. Hmm, the ''character count'' lied to me, it said I had 10 characters left.
Anyway, I hope my Nintendo 64 works this time. It won't boot Starfox 64 for some reason.
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Q4Z2X
on 2004-04-22 16:07 [#01156460]
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yeah.. the character count lied to me as well..
also, i'm not going to try to completely ignore some possibly great games, but if you wait a while for them, the prices go down considerably and the great gameplay is still there. it's a perfect scheme for someone who isn't really impressed or amused that much by graphics.
..but you can't wait too long or the games start being taken from the 75¢ table at a garage sale, and are put onto ebay and sold for considerably more.
i think i'm going to borrow my friend's ninendo 64 and playstation some day soon and play some of the newer classics that i never really got around to playing at all. i'm always several systems behind.. but i'm fine with that..
it's always great to play some of the countless delicious snes and genesis games that i never got to play in the prime of their popularity, even though the graphics aren't dazzling they are still charming and appropriate in their own right. and somehow it can be nostalgic, even if i've never played the game before.
as for starfox, didn't that game require a special graphic upgrade card thing-a-majig? maybe that's the problem..
sorry in advance if that's not the case and i am just foolishly stating the obvious.. or maybe it wasn't actually the game that required the upgrade..
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2004-04-22 16:18 [#01156496]
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I don't have the money or opportunity to get my hands on too many old cartridges, but I'm an avid emulator user and there's nothing I love more than digging up a classic Genesis ROM that I've never played. I'd rather do that than get a new Xbox game, myself. Recently, I played Traysia for the first time and I have a new favorite song ever. Great little game.
Star Fox came with a rumble pack, but it doesn't need an expansion pack (which I have installed anyway). What a shame, that was the ultimate ''pick up and play'' game, just awesome. The Panzer Dragoon Orta of the late '90s.
The original Star Fox for SNES was one of the biggest ''WOW'' games I've ever played.
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Raz0rBlade_uk
on 2004-04-22 16:22 [#01156503]
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Star Fox! Dude you absolute legend. Smart bombs rule!!
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Oddioblender
from Fort Worth, TX (United States) on 2004-04-22 16:24 [#01156505]
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i have link to the past/four swords on gba - multiplayer on it is SO fun!! it's such a mixture of cooperation and betrayal, because you have to work together to beat a stage, but you're also competing for rupees! i hope they do the same with future game boy zeldas.
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Oddioblender
from Fort Worth, TX (United States) on 2004-04-22 16:26 [#01156510]
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oh man, ikana is a treat!
ophecks - the dungeons in majora's mask are some of the more interesting and well-constructed i have seen in the zelda games.
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