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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-04-16 05:23 [#01145438]
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Which are your favorite numbers? Odds or evens?
I think even numbers are nice.
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horsefactory
from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2004-04-16 05:32 [#01145445]
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Ah, the old classic debate. It's very controversial to bring it up again as I'm sure you know the kind of battles that it instigates. Call me crazy but I am gonna say that evens are definitely the best. Let battle commence.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-04-16 05:33 [#01145446]
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you thought to yourself: closed threads come in pairs, right?
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2004-04-16 05:34 [#01145447]
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Pink or Brown?
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-04-16 05:35 [#01145448]
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no. I thought: "hmm.. I'd like to know. Do people REALLY like symmetry?"
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zero-cool
on 2004-04-16 05:36 [#01145452]
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i like...
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-04-16 05:37 [#01145455]
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..symmetry? odds? evens? WHAT?!
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horsefactory
from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2004-04-16 05:37 [#01145456]
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Take it easy number fans!!! Someone's gonna get hurt !!!!!
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zero-cool
on 2004-04-16 05:39 [#01145459]
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the number...
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-04-16 05:42 [#01145463]
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yur furny.
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zero-cool
on 2004-04-16 05:43 [#01145464]
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RAY
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-04-16 06:14 [#01145521]
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Evens, definately. Especially multiplication by 2;
2,4,8,16,32,64,128,256,512,1024,2048,4096, etc. Gotta love that sequence (music, computers, etc.).
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2004-04-16 06:15 [#01145523]
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But in reality there should be an odd number at the start of that.
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2004-04-16 06:16 [#01145526]
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evens of course
stupid question...
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-04-16 06:16 [#01145527]
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do you consider 0 an odd number?
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-04-16 06:16 [#01145528]
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HA!
got him!!
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2004-04-16 06:17 [#01145529]
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No, but I consider 1 and odd number.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-04-16 06:17 [#01145531]
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2 x 0 = 2?
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2004-04-16 06:17 [#01145532]
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0 means nothing to me!
I should've put that before.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-04-16 06:18 [#01145534]
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and to add to the superiority of evens:
adding two odds make one even.
adding two evens make on even.
adding one odd and one even makes an odd
two to one!
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-04-16 06:18 [#01145537]
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2x0 = 0
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2004-04-16 06:20 [#01145542]
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0 = no number?
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-04-16 06:20 [#01145543]
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yes, but what comes before 2 in the sequence of multiplication by 2?
not 0.
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2004-04-16 06:20 [#01145545]
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Isn't 3 the magic number?
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2004-04-16 06:22 [#01145549]
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i thought that this was that game
where you grab ahold of someones arm or leg hair and say "ODDS OR EVENS" and then they say either odds or evens,and then you pull out their hair, and if they're right you stop, if they're wrong you do it again
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2004-04-16 06:23 [#01145551]
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NEVER play that with a bald man. IT's just not a fair game.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-04-16 06:23 [#01145552]
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in the sequence of multiplication by two, 2 = (ground) 0. As two is the base-number, it is the same as zero, 'cause in this situation 2 has always existed. Since it is impossible to find a place where there is NOTHING (0), 0 is defined as the "something that has always been there" or "the something that preceeds the something you are adding." So if 2 is what preceeds what you are adding, 2 = 0.
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2004-04-16 06:26 [#01145555]
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I was pointing out that Ceri was citing the binary table as a reason for the evens winning.
But the Binary table starts with 1 making the odd number the most important.
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zero-cool
on 2004-04-16 06:29 [#01145562]
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A=1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
B=2 4 6 8 10 12 14 16 18 20
A+B
= 3 6 9 12 15 18 21 24 27 30=3x tables
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-04-16 06:29 [#01145563]
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I'd consider 0 to be even, simply because of where it fits on the scale:
etc.-3,-2,-1,0,1,2,3, etc.
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2004-04-16 06:30 [#01145564]
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WINNER!
ZING!
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-04-16 06:30 [#01145565]
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well.. he says "Especially multiplication by 2;" which means he meant that, and not the binary table.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-04-16 06:31 [#01145567]
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AND the fact that 10, 30, 640, and so-forth are even. how do you recognize an even number? The last number is even.
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2004-04-16 06:31 [#01145568]
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Stop it!
I'm trying to make a mod wrong!
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zero-cool
on 2004-04-16 06:32 [#01145569]
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0=
10-10
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-04-16 06:33 [#01145570]
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haha!
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zero-cool
on 2004-04-16 06:35 [#01145573]
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Pi=3.145254855486968549676767649468059834504836-08608958345 75465465485E435356732858464E4456465453846868aphex5443658345 79347539457489574654867583465823468236385638956348565565662 34723452304503409078797e38563485632853495634953495684589563 85634856348564656132324352636589376976547364756464674657478 5464746474837cock364633756345678563845398563974935793659339 568934739653967493739922345435235423545346263263666
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-04-16 06:37 [#01145575]
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I'm trying to make a mod wrong!
That is impossible to do. Does not compute.
And I was refering to *2, not specifically the binary table (I actually just meant all those numbers (64,128,256,etc.) crop up in computing. Of course, the reason they do is that they are part of the binary table :)
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-04-16 06:45 [#01145579]
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16, 32, 256 and 1024 were considered special numbers by some of the old philosophers. Some spent their whole life trying to figure out number-combinations that lead to these numbers.
I can think of a few other versions of this, and that is Fibonaccios "magical" numbers (each number is the sum of the two before it): 2 , 3 , 5 , 8 , 13 , 21 , 34 , 55 and so-on.
and the golden ratio, which is 1,618 or something like that.
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2004-04-16 07:11 [#01145618]
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meh!
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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2004-04-16 07:44 [#01145659]
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all the best numbers are odd.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-04-16 07:45 [#01145661]
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well.. if you take an odd number and add an odd number to it: what do you get?
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zero-cool
on 2004-04-16 20:09 [#01146680]
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7+13=20
19+17=36
odd+odd=even
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Ganymede
from Tlön, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius on 2004-04-16 20:11 [#01146682]
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I am beyond these petty arguments about odd or even; I much prefer the much more expansive field of real numbers, wherein one can discuss the rationality or irrationality of numbers, or whether they are algebraic or transcendent.
That being said, all the primes except for 2 are odd, so the evens are more unique in that respect. Also all of the known perfect numbers are even (although no one has yet proved that an odd perfect number doesn't exist).
Also, to keep this somewhat music related, all of the known weird numbers (like 70) are even.
So, I'm going to have to give a slight edge to the evens.
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sneakattack
on 2004-04-16 20:17 [#01146685]
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Evens are closed under the operations of mult and addition. Odds are closed under multiplication only. Evens have the additive identity, whereas odds have the additive identity. Anyway so you can form a monoid with evens and plus, and one with odds and mults.
eh, closed under addition is nice, so evens.
(by closed I mean you don't leave the set under those operations)
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-04-16 20:25 [#01146688]
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..form a Monoid..?
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pOgO
from behind your belly button fluff on 2004-04-16 20:29 [#01146692]
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evens, although my favourite number is 13
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sneakattack
on 2004-04-16 20:29 [#01146693]
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haha I had to put that in just for kicks. last thing i want is to put extra monoids in this thread..
[see wikipedia for what mathematical monoid means]
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2004-04-16 20:57 [#01146709]
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I might not bother.
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2004-04-16 21:04 [#01146711]
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Odds. I always leave things like the TV volume on odd numbers, particularly 21, 25, 31, 35. Depends on the model of the television and the general volume level I require. I also turn lights on and off 7 times every time. If I
accidentally do 6 or 8, I'm screwed in life.
Odd has potential, though it's a gamble. It's worth taking. Even is solid but doesn't have much upside, if you know what I mean.
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