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all they've ever done is push there machines from the very start, it's not like they were crapping the music, or secreting it as they jogged, they've always needed the machine to make the music, and despite the "sound" of the newer stuff (it sounds more mechanical,.. yes) they're still just using machine to create sound, and their newer stuff is f**king awesome, they've hardly regressed, it's just gone off mainstream idm and gotten more personal, if this sort of thing was so easy to do, then how come they're the only group doing it? it'd be extremely labourious for them to make these sort of tracks compared to the tracks they made earlier |
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"some people, when their favourite artists make new music that is not to their liking, or even evolving faster than those listeners are themselves (musically speaking), they do not look at themselves and say "I do not like this music, this is my problem (or not at all)", but actually try to blame the artists in some way. extraordinary behaviour" .. .. .......extraordinary in the same way that you are insinuating that it is my fault...... it is easy to twist it into "someone elses fault" not quite as easy to think about the fact that maybe it is you that is being over defensive of Autechre for the exact same reasons you are trying to pin on me........... a typical reflection of yourself. |
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I like Crunch better. |
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no, I'm not being defensive about autechre. I couldn't care less what you think about them - that's your problem. your phrasing that I am trying to "pin" something on you reveals a lot about you - it would seem you are the one feeling very defensive. I'm just saying it is an easy mistake to make - to blame an artist for your own misunderstanding. I believe in trying to find mistakes in yourself before finding it in others. your calculator analogy really is very strange. whatever they use, it's still about the sounds and compositions created, not about the machinery. if you think that, it would seem you are projecting this. I mean, they make cd's with music, they do not produce hardware and/or software. just say you dislike their current musical output, don't connect all these ridiculous theories to it, which really only exist in your own head. |
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I have nothing to defend so why would I become defensive? You say you are not "pointing the finger" yet you are still aiming your comments directly at me. I am only trying to get answers to questions revolving around Autechre. I am interested to know what it is about the Autechre sound & technique that is so technicle? I havn't had any explanations off anyone yet, all I get is fingers pointing............ it's almost like you don't even know yourselves????........... 8/ |
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............ horse factory is a clear example of a clueless Autechre fan as all he could only pick up on was the way that I write messages...... Do you not have any good advice?.... Why are you on an electronic music message board if you clearly have nothing to say about music?............ Are you here to put people off music?.......... maybe you are the reason people are clossed minded.......... maybe the reason you have nothing to say about Autechre is because you actually know fuck all & find it easier to spread negativity?......... there's your negativity |
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give it up, autechre are brilliant, youre just trying to convince us otherwise :) |
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Hi madman. I think that the most obvious element of autechre which people find attractive is not only a great complexity (richness of not only rhythm, dynamics, pitch, but also greater structure) but also a careful attention to interrelation. Anyone could chain together a pile of filters and create something of unfathomable complexity; that's not the point. I think furthermore what is appealing is their consistent and deliberately evolving personal taste (I'm purposefully referring to the irrational subjective component of this logical music), their appreciation of subtlety, desire for new things, etc. Now I realize that everything I said can be considered a series of general statements which any fanatic would utilize to defend whatever their passion is. Maybe it was stupid for me to open this comment in that manner, but forgive me I am rather tired and felt something must be said. I am sure there is a plethora of literature available going into some depth on autechre (I cannot make any claims on the quality of this corpus, as I just use my own ears and brain to form opinions, and avoid things of that nature), and that you have seen some of it. My own introduction and subsequent devout obsession with autechre followed a boringly predictable path. I downloaded a large sampling online, and found that the only things I liked were from incunabulum, and I like them a lot, so I purchased the album. Other material was interesting but sounded messy. Long story short as time passed I slowly found that from what I downloaded, I appreciated more and more whatever was next in chronology--I organically and coincidentally purchased them all in order of composition. My point is that if you feel that they are retarded, and are baffled by the praise, I recommend some sort of systematic approach (which mine was only coincidentally). If you are happy with all the music you own, then by all means ignore this kind suggestion! I myself get bored of things very easily, so their freshness was quite welcome. |
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I ran out of space, I'd just like to make some additional comments. What I wrote was a very clear reaction to the antipathy present in the thread. I was trying to make some pleasant comments on the topic. I am aware that I said nothing concrete about autechre--it was mainly just whimsy. I did that because you are clearly a person proud of their intellect (please read no connotation) so there is no need for me to spoon feed you the pages and pages of analysis I could churn up on the drop of a dime (my first (and only) thread here was an AE structure thread). I think everyone is comfortable with his chicanery and very aware of the fact that horsefactory is very intelligent, so there's no reason for you to make aggressive comments. So, if you like, give them a through listen, and make some concrete comments. If you have done this and all my points are moot (I am new to this bored), I apologize. I think everyone would agree that if you started some logical threads say dissecting what you think makes them not any better than other groups, it could lead to interesting debate, and us autechre zealots would happily join the fray. |
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hang it up! you sound rediculous, liek people who think electronic music is cheating. if its so easy to do, then do it sucker! |
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naa.... it's up to you mate........ I just want answers but I'm not sure anyone REALLY KNOWS what they are talking about on here. In a wierd way I feel like I can see through it, like I'm listening to the next fake ass boy band when I hear the so called "music" that Autechre have made........ the thing is there's no point!!...... I am obviously in the extreme minority (so whats new ;)........ I've got no problem with that, thats just the way it is....... Fuck it!! I still expect answers muther fuckers..... you don't get off that easily ;) |
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pretend that 'bored' instead of 'board' was intentional |
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ok. I went over and read some of your posts (I hadn't really done so, merely browsed some of them and noticed how violent it got), and so it seems that your complaint is 'they have lost a sense of style, their works are results of mere cause-effect state-based software, etc' (obvious extensions included are: they are limited by their technology, they have no awareness of what they are doing, etc.). I have been writing too much so in lieu of anything in depth I'll lean on one heavy point: structure. All their albums, and definitely the late ones, have a heirarchy of arching structures, built in a way which I think clearly implies that this is an act of human creativity, of style, not just some numeroligical obsession, ungrounded in any decent aesthetic sense. here's my thread about it, which included great posts by some of the people you have derided: now that I've said that, let me also point out melody. listen to vletrmx. good? ok. now listen to pen expers. almost _identical_ melodies. that I believe hilights their taste in melodies. Aesthetic choice, not haphazard technology-obsession. they have a clear rhythmic sense too, which you can study on your own, or I can elaborate if you like. about being limited by their technology.. look reality has limits, we're all trying to break them. They use MAX, and there was a thread recently with links to screenshots of their heavily customized setup.. I guess if technology imposes barriers they've sure done a great job fighting them. If I missed your point, it's because I was too lazy to read all of your comments thoroughly. I'd be happy to hear your counterarguments (not said snidely). |
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anyone who read the 5 page interview that was posted on watmm (i dont go there, but someone sent me a link to the interview and its an EXCELLENT read) would know what an autechre screen for a track looks like. its the furthest thing from mindless i can imagine. |
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I do "do it" sucker........ but I like a challenge ;) I have tried not to rely on technology too much & opt for a more organic approach to music...... I think something that lives is more beautifull than any man made structure or object, & that is also reflected in my musical tastes. |
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apparently, the idea of walking a line between order and chaos is somethign in "nature" you DONT get down with, since thats the root of their music. |
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not much to say...... great music. |
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please follow tibbar's good suggestion and check the recent interview; there are links on this messageboard to the images posted on watmm. I too don't visit there but checked them. I believe your comment about striving to be 'organic' may seem a little odd when you look at how personalized, fluid, and, well, eh, organic their interfaces are. |
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firstly..... when did music become a 'who can build the most complex structure' contest?.......... thats all I ever seem to get thrown at me......... "you don't understand the complex structure"............ doesn't cut it!! |
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then you think they should cater to you, basically. cater to your tastes, or it sucks. |
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whoa whoa whoa careful. I specifically said in one of my above comments that generating huge complexity is _dead_easy_. Run a mess of filters, done. Following that I go on to argue what makes their music _great_, which is not the complexity, but the complexity adds strength to their actually human aesthetic decent qualities. Repeating myself sucks so read what I wrote. |
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layers dont equal complexity though. i could do 15 bad layers that arent very interesting and that doesnt make it complex. complex is have 4 layers and sounding like 15. i think ae does that sufficiently. their music is a undulating organism, to me. it has a pulse. |
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ive been doing live electro for quite a few years now, and i appreciate where autechre come from, and what they produce. theyre my biggest influence, no question. if you think what they do has no merit, so be it. personally i think they have a lot more worth and integrity than their peers, because - rather than use their equipment as generators, they use them as instruments. to my ear they are very real - and strongly contrast to the run-of-the-mill drill artist. |
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I read the interview weeks ago....... I don't believe in believing everything that is said in interviews........ I can do it, I can make a piece of music, study it in a myriad of different ways, & then explain all these amazingly complex technicalities to you in chronotangable order.... & then what?....... you will then read the interview & choose to like it based on what you are told to be the truth? ..... "oh.... it took 7months just to shave 645 different frequencies off 253 mathematically pitched chimpanzee slurps of a McDonald's Strawberry milkshake in 2.656sec intervals while parked outside in fast food rivals Burger Kings car park, causing a rival chimp to burst through the sun roof while screaming "I'M TAKING CONTROL OF THE DRUM MACHINE" in 5 different languages & all this then being recorded from 17 strategically placed Mic's mapped out around the interior of a 1.6ltr Vauxall Nova SR while the engines still running"............. then we'd obviously go into more detail on the upgraded engine parts so you knew every nuance of the sound being picked up on the 17 different varieties of condenser/cardioid/dynamic mic....... blah blah blah bollox.............. XD |
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its funny how hard you flip flop between viewpoints just to serve your purpose. you call it wanky nonsense, so we try to show evidence of the contrary, then you switch it up to where its not about that. nice tactic, i think lawyers own the patent on it. |
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t's about many things, one of them being the fact that it's actualy 7.30am here & I aint had to sleep so I'm sorry if my mind is resembling a flip flop. I'm sure we could sit here anylizing each others messages all night, picking fault or whatever but at the end of the day there is no wrong or right, just oppinions............. you do & I don't..... maybe you'll see my point, maybe not.......... maybe I'll see the music how you see it..... & from what I have heard, 9/10 times the people who eventualy got into this music have taken a long time to get into it, even the most hardcore IDM fans from what I have heard on many occasions have taken a good while to get into it.......... Another point being............ you listen to any bullshit for long enough & you will end up getting into it....... how do you think the populour charts work??..... it's what I would call conditioning of the mind!!.... |
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Rambling Madman you are a fucking idiot. |
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*street knowledge* not my words but KRS1s it's true though, people are conditioned to expect a chorus/bridge/verse whatever....at a given time. but I do like Doh, Ray, Me I have to say... |
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Ignore me, I'm off to bed in a minute..... |
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shouldn't that be "Just a fuckin idiot" horse mouth? |
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Where's the link to the interview? |
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Thanks. |
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............ Or not as the case may be XS Well.... it's a Sqaurepusher interview anyway. |
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Damn these autechre guys are pretentious! They even insist on being interviewed as "Squarepusher" |
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dude, this is exactly why everyone is giving you crap about your attitude. you dont just not like their stuff, you got a hard-on against it. grow up. its art, get over it. |
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rambling madman your posts might easily be the most incoherent babble ive read about awtekkur in a long time |
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they were forced up by warp, and you people fell for it. they're not too good, so just deal with that! |
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I'm a HARD act to follow..... get over it! 8) I'm not even going to explain Just read my name It's allways the same I said Autechre were lame but I understand it's art I'm just not into it, hand on heart no need to attack me like baby cart ....do do .... pussy fart.... .. .. Thats a rap |
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theyre better than anything you and most of the people here could ever do. id say myself included. deal with that. |
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yeah, but most people here aren't pretending to be musicians... |
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autechre. autechre.autechre. autechre.autechre.autechre.autechre. autechre. autechre. autechre. autechre. autechre.autechre. enough autechre talk? |
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Dealt with....... don't believe a word of |
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OK... OK....... *children enter room*........ if you count Autechre as musicians then that would make me Motzart bitch!!! |
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exhibit a of how people who dont get good art take it out on those who do. |
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just give me the best starter-album for them (I got put off them for some reason a long time ago, so I never bought an album, but now, as I can't remember what put me off them (it was something besides the music, I know that much), I'll give them a try again). and it's true: Rambling Madman is mozarts bitch. |
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hmm, i can't see any art in that...im sorry...they're just putting sounds together and it mostly doesn't sound good, sometimes they get lucky and it sounds listenable, but that's about it im affraid 8-) |
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Draft 7.30.... take it like a bitch |
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maybe anyone has any samples that are NOT in *.rm format? I can't get sound from the warp-page... |
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