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offline aphextriplet from your mothers bedroom (United Kingdom) on 2004-03-24 05:34 [#01115902]
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So i need a laptop. Was thinking of the apple g4 powerbook.

Here are my options:

$2,599.00

15.2-inch TFT Display
1280x854 resolution
1.25GHz PowerPC G4
512K L2 cache
512MB DDR333 SDRAM
80GB Ultra ATA/100
ATI Mobility Radeon
9600 (64MB DDR)
Backlit keyboard
Gigabit Ethernet
FireWire 400 & 800
AirPort Extreme built-in
DVI & S-Video out


$1,999.00

15.2-inch TFT Display
1280x854 resolution
1GHz PowerPC G4
512K L2 cache
256MB DDR333 SDRAM
60GB Ultra ATA/100
ATI Mobility Radeon
9600 (64MB DDR)
Full size keyboard
Gigabit Ethernet
FireWire 400 & 800
AirPort Extreme Ready
DVI & S-Video out

$1,799.00

12.1-inch TFT Display
1024x768 resolution
1GHz PowerPC G4
512K L2 cache
256MB DDR266 SDRAM
40GB Ultra ATA/100
NVIDIA GeForce FX
Go 5200 (32MB DDR)
Full size keyboard
10/100BASE-T Ethernet
FireWire 400
AirPort Extreme Ready
Mini-DVI out

Now, i know the most expensive one is the best one, but my
question is this :
what spec do i NEED to play live successfully and safely. Do
i need 512MB DDR333 SDRAM or will i be ok with 256Mb?
The way im going to be playing live is basically, a laptop
streaming a few audio parts (no more than 3-5 audio files
simultaneously), and a few live instruments/players. Was
going to use Ableton v2.0 to stream the audio, and i have 2
outputs for the laptop, one goes into pa system, the other
is a click track for the live players. Please help or offer
advice



 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-03-24 05:38 [#01115904]
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eh. I only know that Ralph Myerz uses a dell laptop which I
think he's had for quite some time... I think most new
laptops will do if you can keep them "clean." If you only
install the music-programs and keep samples on it (not too
much, as that will make it a bit slower...).

I've never figured out how you "play" live with a laptop,
though... is it linked to some equipment which controls it
(an oxygen or something..?), or does it just play some loop?


 

offline aphextriplet from your mothers bedroom (United Kingdom) on 2004-03-24 05:42 [#01115906]
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well, im pretty much using the laptop to provide a backing
track essentially. I'll be able to tweak bits and bobs here
and there, but nothing much. Most of the
tweaking/improvising etc will be done using the live
instruments


 

offline aphextriplet from your mothers bedroom (United Kingdom) on 2004-03-24 05:43 [#01115907]
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In summary, will the 'worst' spec [below] be sufficient?

$1,799.00

12.1-inch TFT Display
1024x768 resolution
1GHz PowerPC G4
512K L2 cache
256MB DDR266 SDRAM
40GB Ultra ATA/100
NVIDIA GeForce FX
Go 5200 (32MB DDR)
Full size keyboard
10/100BASE-T Ethernet
FireWire 400
AirPort Extreme Ready
Mini-DVI out



 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-03-24 05:45 [#01115908]
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I guess so.. although... I don't see USB posted, and USB
will be a important part of a bigger setup, I think...


 

offline aphextriplet from your mothers bedroom (United Kingdom) on 2004-03-24 05:48 [#01115909]
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'FireWire and USB 2.0
The PowerBook G4 features FireWire for connecting external
hard drives and DV cameras, and USB 2.0 for connecting
graphics tablets, digital cameras, printers and scanners.'

12 inch powerbook

It does. I dont want to write music on the laptop, i
have a home PC for that.


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-03-24 05:52 [#01115910]
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yeah, but USB for possibly connecting a oxygen to it...

when Xploding Plastix play live, they have a laptop
connected to a oxygen.


 

offline aphextriplet from your mothers bedroom (United Kingdom) on 2004-03-24 05:53 [#01115912]
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well either way it has usb


 

offline rudster from the glasgow on 2004-03-24 06:01 [#01115917]
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i'm intending on playin live at some point, dont really know
how, but i would need to use my desktop PC with 15inch
flatscrren

it is a powerful system with 512mb ram
120gb harddrive,

now when i connect my radium controller keyboard to vst
synths outwith cubase, i have superb latency.

But when i connect to vst within cubase i can get 20ms
latency, but as more tracks are added the computer starts
struggling with this, so i change to 40ms.

Another thing that worries me is that the PC crashes
occasionaly, when keyboard is synced with cubase.

My set up onstage would be the PC, acoustic guitar, electric
guitar, radium controller keyboard and also Evolution UC-16
midi control panel.

I will also have a stand in bass player too.

It might be ambitious but i'm confident it will work.


 

offline REFLEX from Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) on 2004-03-24 06:23 [#01115937]
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playing live as a electronic artist is not as rewarding as
other types of music, unless you are a big name in your
field no one will come see for some reason.


 

offline REFLEX from Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) on 2004-03-24 06:24 [#01115939]
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around here anyway the scene for that stuff is little to
none.


 

offline mc_303_beatz from Glasgow, Scotland on 2004-03-24 06:26 [#01115940]
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why did you convert the prices to dollars? please don't
compromise for yank members.


 

offline aphextriplet from your mothers bedroom (United Kingdom) on 2004-03-24 06:28 [#01115942]
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mine is drum and bass, and theres plenty of venues who'll
take us. Theres a lot of live playing too, so its not just
sitting in front of a computer.

to MC_303: im buying the laptop from the states because its
about 600 quid cheaper than over here.


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-03-24 06:29 [#01115943]
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there are lots of electronica concerts with smaller artists
here in Bergen... I think it may be connected to Tellé, or
all the students or something...


 

offline mc_303_beatz from Glasgow, Scotland on 2004-03-24 06:32 [#01115944]
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really? interesting.. :)


 

offline aphextriplet from your mothers bedroom (United Kingdom) on 2004-03-24 06:36 [#01115947]
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no-ones answering my question :(


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-03-24 06:38 [#01115950]
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it will probably work fine. just remember that if you aren't
using a mac already, transfering the songs won't be as easy
as 1-2-3.


 

offline aphextriplet from your mothers bedroom (United Kingdom) on 2004-03-24 06:40 [#01115951]
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It'll be ok, im only transferring the final files, so it's
just like transferring mp3s. The mixable seperate parts etc
will be on my pc in cubase format.


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-03-24 06:42 [#01115955]
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ok.

although.. reason is available for both platforms, so... but
if you know how, I'll trust you on this.

And that mac will probably be very stable.. unless you put
too much shit into it.


 

offline aphextriplet from your mothers bedroom (United Kingdom) on 2004-03-24 06:43 [#01115956]
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i wont be putting much on it. Im buying it specifically to
play live. I have a seperate laptop through school for all
my other laptop needs.


 

offline ChildrenTalking from United States on 2004-03-24 07:12 [#01115975]
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you want to play (with yourself) live?


 

offline aphextriplet from your mothers bedroom (United Kingdom) on 2004-03-24 10:02 [#01116156]
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bump, more help please


 

offline REFLEX from Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) on 2004-03-24 10:03 [#01116158]
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ok.. whew atleast your not a fuckin DJ.... woah what a crazy
musician (SUCH A GODDAMN JOKE).


 

offline DJ Xammax from not America on 2004-03-24 10:04 [#01116159]
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:(


 

offline REFLEX from Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) on 2004-03-24 10:05 [#01116163]
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whatever, not like its not cool, yeah being a dj is fine,
but if you just play other people music back and forth and
none that you yourself actually programmed then your not a
musician.not by any means.


 

offline princo from Shitty City (Geelong) (Australia) on 2004-03-24 10:06 [#01116164]
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If you were in Melbourne you never have to ask to play live,
they beg you to play! Even if your music is just shitty
boring noise!

I love Melbourne!


 

offline euphonicfilter from illadelphia (United States) on 2004-03-24 10:10 [#01116172]
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go for the fastest processor you can

forget ram as it can be added later and only compliments a
good processor

if your processor is shite...ram wont do shizzle


 

offline AphexTwin11 from OOOOOO (United States) on 2004-03-24 10:33 [#01116209]
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Dont do laptop shit, stick with analogue machine , much
better


 

offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2004-03-24 10:39 [#01116221]
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I have an iBook 900MHz G3, that has been fully upgraded to
640MB RAM

to be honest, 256MB really wouldn't work in a live
situation....I wouldn't recommend just running a machine
with OS X on under 384MB RAM.

For live stuff, I'd take no less than 512MB RAM.....get the
fastest and largest amount or RAM you can. If you're gonna
be using Ableton Live for doing stuff, make sure you've got
a decent sized FAST hard drive for all those samples.

also i'm gonna second euphonicfilter by saying get the
fastest CPU you can - you can't upgrade a laptop CPU, so go
for the best you can afford....i regret getting my iBook,
because i'm running into speed problems rewiring Cubase SX
and Reason 2.5 - i should have saved and got a 17" 1.33Ghz
G4 :(


 

offline Portland from San Diego (United States) on 2004-03-24 12:53 [#01116453]
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i play using a g3 800 ibook. anyone of those options you
mentioned would work.

i also use a dell laptop sometimes as well.


 

offline aphextriplet from your mothers bedroom (United Kingdom) on 2004-03-25 03:25 [#01117365]
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i reckon the 12" spec will be fine too. People might be
misunderstanding how im going to use the laptop. Im not
writing music on it, so i dont need to use hundreds of
tracks on a sequencer or anything, im just going to be using
it to play two 30 minute tracks simultaneously


 

offline KADO from The Belafonte (United Kingdom) on 2004-03-25 03:29 [#01117374]
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You should buy a spec that is going to meet your needs in
future, incase you wanted to expand your show to more than
multi-tracked audio playback.

Pay for it now and you wont have to pay for upgrades in a
few years.


 

offline aphextriplet from your mothers bedroom (United Kingdom) on 2004-03-25 03:31 [#01117379]
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true. I'll get the best i can afford, which is probably the
12" but slightly upgraded.


 

offline map from mülligen (Switzerland) on 2004-03-25 03:34 [#01117382]
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1024x768 resolution is less.


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-03-25 03:42 [#01117389]
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if you are using effects, dont' have them workin realtime on
the computer. either pre-render or use effect-processors...


 

offline aphextriplet from your mothers bedroom (United Kingdom) on 2004-03-25 03:48 [#01117392]
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yeah, the effects will be done on hardware for the live
instruments. Ive decided to go with the 12" but upgrade the
ram to 512


 


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