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surrounded
from it won't be hard anymore to li on 2004-05-18 09:06 [#01193578]
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"I could beat him fine if his energy bar didn't rise all the time :s"
It doesn't rise constantly. It only happens when he is catching his breath. That's why you've got to (try to) stay close to him. Every now and then he'll just stand still and you can see and hear him breathing heavily. That's when his energy regenerates. But whilst he's doing that he's wide open to attack. Actually I thought it was an advantage rather than a disadvantage.
Also, if he does happen to catch you in his jaws, move the controlstick around and push A-button repeatedly to make him let go sooner. The longer you stay in his jaws the more hearts it costs.
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-18 09:29 [#01193636]
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:D!!! Cheers mate :) I didn't realise that was why it regenerated :$
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surrounded
from it won't be hard anymore to li on 2004-05-18 15:12 [#01194344]
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Metal Gear Solid is a really strange game. I hadn't realised there would also be jokes in it :-p The programmers must have had a good sense of humor.
I just watched that piece of cinema when you've rescued that professor guy from Revolver Ocelot, and they're talking about Meryl. But the prof. can't remember her codec-frequency. And then he mentions it's on the back of the package. Haha! And I was thinking: "Package? What package? I haven't found a package yet." Nice ;-) I love stuff like that.
And then when you get in contact with Meryl, and Snake wonders how she managed to hide those keycards. Lol. "Women have more hiding-places". I can't believe they put that line in a Nintendo game. Nintendo! The same company that once removed the blood from Mortal Combat! And now they're making naughty jokes and cutting off hands in a Nintendo-exclusive.
Well I'm liking this game alot. I can't wait to find out what happens next. Something fishy has to be going on... two people "suddenly" dying of heartattacks... YEAH RIGHT!
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2004-05-18 16:32 [#01194495]
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Haha, the first time I rented MGS for PS1, way back in '98, I was stuck on the part where I needed Meryl's frequency... because I rented it and I didn't HAVE the freakin' ''package''! And this was before I knew about Gamefaqs. But the Colonel eventually calls you and tells you the frequency anyway.
But not until I spent a half hour running around the base looking for ''a package''.
Heart attacks... be afraid, be very afraid. You'll see.
MGS rocks. Goofy as heck game. There's all kinds of injokes in Twin Snakes you probably won't get unless you've played Sons of Liberty, Snake's Revenge, Metal Gear, Solid Snake, Ghost Babel, etc. Hideo Kojima is good to his hardcore fans.
And Metal Gear Solid 3 is going to destroy the world.
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Oddioblender
from Fort Worth, TX (United States) on 2004-05-18 18:05 [#01194682]
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Metal Gear Solid: Twin Snakes = original Metal Gear Solid times a million
However, i was a bit put off by the fact that Naomi and Mei Ling no longer had accents. I know its nitpicky, but i miss those accents.
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neetta
from Finland on 2004-05-19 01:57 [#01194979]
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the item stuff might be annoying, but i think it belongs to the game, as do the ribbons.
the zombies are quite lame, i like the silent hill monster more but resident evil just has the right combination of mysticality, soldiers and a big evil corporation :)
i heard the backgrounds are done differently in res4 (not rendered is the correct term?)
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neetta
from Finland on 2004-05-19 01:58 [#01194980]
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the post above was directed to surrounded's post :o
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-05-19 02:03 [#01194983]
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Graphics in Resi 4 are going to be all real time generated, like in sections of Code Veronica. Also, I agree the bad camera/controls and ribbons/items are part of the game and genuinely add to the tension. It's the only way to replicate the sort of fumbling with a door/to reload a gun that you see so often in horror films.
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surrounded
from it won't be hard anymore to li on 2004-05-19 02:18 [#01194993]
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I agree about the poor controls and fixed camera-angles. They really help to make the game scarier. It makes you feel just as helpless as when you would actually be confronted with a zombie yourself. Just a regular human being, not with the typical videogame superpowers. Always being low on ammo helps alot too. I like all those things.
But not being able to carry more than 6 items... I dunno. What's the point of it? It happens to me way too many times that I'm exploring a new part of the mansion... see lots of items... but I can't pick them up. I either have to move on and come back for them later. Or track back all the way to the nearest itembox to make space in the inventory. For me it adds nothing but frustration. If you would be allowed to just drop your items wherever you liked... than I might be able to live with not being allowed to carry more stuff. But the fact that you can only dump them in the itembox is.... aaargh! It doesn't make the game scarier, just more annoying imo.
Same with the ribbons. I think having only having a very limited amount of savepoints in the game already adds more than enough tension. What's the advantage of only being allowed to save a limited number of times.
Sadly it has already been confirmed that atleast the ribbons will be back in RE4. I'm not sure about the itemboxes yet... oh well.
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surrounded
from it won't be hard anymore to li on 2004-05-19 02:25 [#01195001]
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The most scared I've ever been by the game (so far!) is when one of the "dead" zombies came back to life. Holy shit!
I had just found the lighter and the gasoline. And in the manual I had already read that they could come back alive unless you burn their bodies. So I was going around burning all the zombies I had already shot.
And then I came to a body somewhere on the 2nd floor. I selected 'use' for the lighter again. She already kneeled by the zombie to put it on fire... and then all of a sudden it stood back up!!
I was so unprepared for that :-p I litteraly jumped from my seat, haha. It was a great moment.
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surrounded
from it won't be hard anymore to li on 2004-05-20 17:32 [#01198949]
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I am still loving MGS:TTS by the way :-) What an amazing game. I'm finally starting to get comfortable with the controls as well. It's a hell of lot of fun hiding from the guards in a corner... and then sneaking up on them from behind to strangle them. And then to hide their bodies ofcourse :-D Brilliant. Earlier tonight I strangled one whilst he was relieving himself at the urinoir, lol.
I also can't believe that yesterday I managed to defeat a tank with my bare hands! That was a really good fight though, I loved it.
And just now I had my first fight (I presume he'll be back) with that Ninja guy. I love how much personality they gave the bad guys. He was just laughing at me when I tried to shoot him. But then when I put away my guns he gave me that speech that fighting with your hands was the only real way to fight. It's all so well done.
I also had fun shooting holes in the gamecube set up in that room :-p And shooting at Mario to hear him make 1up sounds, haha. Nice little touches there.
"There's all kinds of injokes in Twin Snakes you probably won't get unless you've played Sons of Liberty, Snake's Revenge, Metal Gear, Solid Snake, Ghost Babel, etc."
Yeah well... sadly this is my first Metal Gear ever :-/ I'm probably missing a hell of a lot, I know. For instance I have no idea who Gray Fox is supposed to be (apparantly that's the true identity of that Ninja). I confronted him once in Zanzibar or something? What? I had no idea what was going on there. Let's hope it's not too important for the overal storyline.
Classic story about you trying to find the "package" too :-p
I really thought that was one of the best jokes in a videogame ever. Actually refering to things outside of the game. One of those guys on the Codec also told me today that I need to use my "instincts as a gamer", hehe :-p
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2004-05-20 18:06 [#01198985]
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Did you fight Psycho Mantis yet? VERY clever fight, you'll love it.
Don't worry too much about the story. There's references and things, but nothing too important to note. On the PS1 version, the game gave you the option to read up on Snake's previous adventures as an extra feature, dunno about Twin Snakes, but check it out if does. And you should consider making an effort to play and beat the rest of them, they're all great... Metal Gear Solid 3 is still a half a year away, and just by watching the previews and trailers, I recognize a million little ''wink wink'' sequences and touches... and one very very ''Big'' one...
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I love the way the game blurs the lines between video game and reality, too... Sons of Liberty blurred the lines even more, some would say to a ridiculous extent... hehe... lots of fun. In fact, that game fucked me up in the head so bad, that I had to start a topic about the bizarre events the night I was near the climax of the game. Don't go looking for that topic though, it might spoil it. You've gotta play it someday.
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surrounded
from it won't be hard anymore to li on 2004-05-20 18:16 [#01199000]
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"Did you fight Psycho Mantis yet? VERY clever fight, you'll love it."
Nope... not yet. I think I've only briefly seen him in one of the cutscenes. And some people have talked about how he tried to read their mind. Hm... well i can't wait to meet him personally. I'll keep you updated on my progress.
I'm waiting for the huge pricedrop of the PS2 (around the time when PS3 is almost coming out), and then I'll probably get me one to catch up on all those great games I'm missing now. Altough I had no idea there were so many Metal Gear games! I knew there were Metal Gear, and Metal Gear 2 for NES. And then Metal Gear Solid 1 & 2 for the playstation. What are all those other ones you talked about?
I definitly plan to check it out though :-) I'm beginning to realise just how excellent this series is. Also, I'm beginning to think Konami is trying to get some sort of a "say no to nuclear energy" message across? I've already seen several cutscenes (actual filmfootage) talking about all the disadvantages.
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2004-05-20 18:46 [#01199032]
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Metal Gear- NES- started it all. Very hard game that I've NEVER beaten, but I've tried a million times. It's a bit underwhelming now, but compare it to other games that were coming out at the time, and it's pretty impressive. Some rudimentary stealth gameplay, which was pretty fresh back then.
Worst. Translation. Ever. And you thought Final Fantasy 2 was bad.
Snakes Revenge- NES- not very important, a bit of a half assed game. ''Metal Gear'' isn't even in the title. It's a fun curiousty, but it's the odd one out in the MG universe.
Solid Snake- MSX game that I didn't play until 2002. EXCELLENT game! Emulation is probably the only way you'll ever play this game. This is the real Metal Gear 2. Like the original, but improved in every way. 8 bit graphics, billion bit gameplay.
Metal Gear Solid 1- PS1- this is the best. You don't really need to play it since you have Twin Snakes. It's exactly the same except for the graphics and the lack of first person shooting.This is the 'real' MGS for me, though! This is the one I'll play when I want to experience Shadow Moses again. Sentimental value for me.
Metal Gear Solid- Ghost Babel- Gameboy Color- the best Gameboy game ever made. NES Metal Gear graphics combined with PS1 Metal Gear gameplay and atomsphere. It's a completely stand-alone game, and it's worth playing. I don't know if you'll ever find a hard copy, but give the ROM a shot.
Metal Gear Solid 2- PS2- no, THIS is the best. You only play as Snake for the first quarter of the game, though. The other guy you control is a nerd. This game is gorgeous, it takes place in a prettier environment than the first MGS. Mind blowing for a 2001 game.
This game is fucked up. Seriously. You'll beat the game and not have a clue what just happened. Then you'll beat it again and be even more confused. That's the biggest knock on the game, but I thought it was a riot.
Metal Gear Solid 3- this will be the best game of the 128 bit era.
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-21 02:21 [#01199663]
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Viewtiful Joe 2 coming soon!
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-05-21 02:36 [#01199670]
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I read something about that... got any specifics?
Tell you what I'd love as an old school platformer (now VJ has shown there to be a market for it)- a remake/update of Gunstar Heroes, but using both analogue sticks- one for movement, the other for shooting. That would be fantastic.
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surrounded
from it won't be hard anymore to li on 2004-05-21 03:54 [#01199708]
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WOW! After our little conversation yesterday I went back to my 'cube and played MGS until 4:30 in the morning, lol. That was a little extreme. (altough I sat here and talked with you about nintendo until in my timezone it was).
Anyway, I fought Psycho Mantis! :-p Fantastic! Already high in my topten list of Best Videogame Momements Ever! Haha, this game is genious. I loved it. Especially when he wanted to prove his mental powers to me. "Oh I see you enjoy playing Silicon Night games. Did you like Playing Eternal Darkness?" And I was like: "Well that must have been a lucky guess, seeing as I bought one SK-game, they just presume I also have another?" But he went on: "I see you also like adventure games! Did you enjoy playing The Legend of Zelda? And I see you also like action games. How did you like Super Mario Sunshine?" By then I had figured out he must be reading my memory card. I laughed and I laughed. How do they come up with stuff like that? It seems like such a serious game, but in reality it's really goofy like you said.
Then he asked me to put my controller on the ground and he would move it with his psychic powers. Hehe, I pretty much knew what was coming, but it was still entertaining to watch my controller move over the ground a little with the rumble.
Ofcourse I couldn't get anywhere in the fight, he killed me 3 times. And then the 4th time I finally got the call from the colonel telling me I needed to change to the other controller port so he wouldn't be able to read my mind. LOL! I have never ever felt so involved with a game as a gamer. I had to keep walking over to my gamecube to keep plugging the controller in all the different ports. I loved every second of it. "Snake, is there any reason you can't use controller port number 3?"
When it was all over that was a strangely emotional scene as well. That conversation with Psycho as he was dying. He said some pretty intelligent things. It actually got me thinking.
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surrounded
from it won't be hard anymore to li on 2004-05-21 04:22 [#01199746]
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Thanks for your description of all those games. I was just looking to see if I could find any of them on eBay. And a game called "Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance" also came up. It's described a new version of Sons Of Liberty, improved upon in almost every possible way. It sounds like you should probably check it out!
I'll be on the lookout for the NES-original. It'll be entertaining to see how much they were able to do on such a limited system. Did it already have such complex story as Twin Snakes? I'm amazed at how much cutscenes are in this game. You're watching movies almost just as much as actually playing. I don't mind at all though because the story is so much fun :-) Theoretically they could have had just as good a story in a NES game. With clever conversation instead of pretty movies. Altough if they did, I'm sure it was ruined by that bad translation you talked about. Hm. But worse than FF2? I can hardly imagine that :-p "I was beaten twice? How can it be? Gwaaaaaah!"
I don't really know alot about emulations. I've never played any roms. Is that MSX game really worth it? Well maybe I could check it out after I've played the NES original and the gameboy version and have really fallen in love with 2D Metal Gear aswell.
From your description though, I'm most excited to play Sons Of Liberty!
"Sons of Liberty blurred the lines even more, some would say to a ridiculous extent... hehe... lots of fun. In fact, that game fucked me up in the head so bad, that I had to start a topic about the bizarre events the night I was near the climax of the game."
I will be strong and not go looking for that topic, but it sounds great :-D You make it sound like they took the Psycho Mantis fight and went even further from there on. I can imagine it put some players off (as I've actually read quite a bit of negative talk about MGS2), but after this game I think that I would actually really like something like that :-)
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Oddioblender
from Fort Worth, TX (United States) on 2004-05-21 10:56 [#01200311]
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don't forget, the enemies are FAR more intelligent now.
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2004-05-21 15:06 [#01200697]
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Ha, don't expect the NES Metal Gear to be Shakespeare! Nor the enemies to be very clever! You're just a guy running around shooting and hiding, on your way to blow up Metal Gear. And that's it. But it's still really fun, if you enjoy that good old fasioned sadomasoch. Tons of weapons and gadgets, and the bad translation only increases the fun factor. You'll want to get further and talk to everyone, just to read all the stupid non-sensical things they say (see bottom of post... I have no idea what Big Boss was talking about, but at least it was fun).
As far as the MSX Solid Snake, if you really get into Metal Gear, especially the 2D ones, I think it's a must play. It's not unlike Dracula X (Castlevania)- Rondo of Blood... another amazing game that nobody over here has played, but is well worth the effort. But it can be a major hassle to find the right combination of roms/emulators, etc if you're not experienced with it. I'm pretty sure I used Zophar.net to get it up and running. There's a whole section for MSX. Finding the rom is a different story. I wish I still had it on me. If you're a n00b to emulation, you might not want to bother. Figuring out how to run old obscure things like that can make a grown man cry.
Ceri- Viewtiful Joe 2 is on the way to GC and PS2 on October 20/04. It'll be pretty much the same as the other one, the screenshots look no different. Hey, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. And VJoe1 is coming out for PS2 soon, and you can be Dante from Devil May Cry, that's pretty cool.
A new Gunstar Heroes would rock. And a new Dynamite Headdy! Treasure was the bomb.
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surrounded
from it won't be hard anymore to li on 2004-05-30 14:01 [#01215294]
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Finished Metal Gear Solid a couple of days ago. (on difficulty-setting "normal") Really good game. And probably one of the best endings I've ever seen in a game. The entire boss-fighting sequence was really good too. A proper climax to such a story-driven game :-)
Problem is I can't really see myself playing through it again anytime soon because of all the cinema. Once you know the storyline it's not even nearly as much fun to watch everything. Maybe I'll go back to it in a couple of months time. I would like to improve on my stealth-technique, start collecting those dogtags etc. They put enough things in there to draw you back... which I like. But if I did it now it'd be like watching the same movie 2x in a row.
Next up is probably Metroid Prime. It's good to finally finish some of my gamecube-games :-D First viewtiful joe, now MGS.
"You're just a guy running around shooting and hiding, on your way to blow up Metal Gear. And that's it."
So pretty much standard NES-gameplay eh? Well after Twin Snakes I just want to play it anyway. If only to see the origins of the series :-) I'll find out soon enough if I like it. And if I can find the patience to actually try and finish it. I have a feeling that for those old really hard NES-games you need proper motivation to complete them. Motivation like having saved up your allowance for months to be able to buy a game. Whilst now I have so many games to choose from... and I dunno. Some of the NES and SNES games I bought recently seem really good... but I just can't seem to find the time or willpower to sit down with them for several hours and really get anywhere.
That screenshot is classic though :-p Lol. Great stuff! It's properly supposed to be humoristic, but the translations just makes is seem so weird. Jokes about cute little sailor suits seem appropriate next to some of the toilet-humor in Twin Snakes. ;-)
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