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Einstürzende Neubauten, Sonic Youth (to a lesser extent), and probably other bands too but that's the only two i can think of... they used to be "destructive", avant-garde, etc. in the 80's.... and now they still exist, but it's like somehing faded out, they're in "usual" and tame rock... i still like them, they're still releasing good music but i can't help missing the old sound - - - and that's what they were known for! E.N are still known as "the german band who makes noise with screams, pneumatic drills and metallic plates" or something like that... as only the first releases were really like that now, it's been years and years since they aren't like that anymore... i don't know, maybe you can't go on forever being "hard", destructive, noisy and all, or you end up destructing yourself? still i find it kinda sad... anyway, what is your opinion? do you think they should quit or continue? |
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people are not constant. they get older. life, age + experience change them.. its more or less inevitable you won't like everything they do. i can't think of anything worse than an artist being restricted to a certain sound. it's been 20years since sonic youth's first, cassette-only, album (sonic death).. they have to have changed within that period. because what was experimental then is no longer experimental now.. and if your complaint is that they havent managed to sustain their experimentalism for 20 years - i dont see how they (or anyone) could really. if you insist on being fiercely avant garde throughout your career, i dont see how you can ever produce a consistant body of work. the peripheries of art & creation should be chipped away by different artists all the time. each one getting their turn to nudge things fwd a little. its a slow process.. but at least it means we're constantly pushing in every direction rather than just one. |
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i htink what im trying to say is that im not sure any one artist/group has that much creativity in them to be able to constantly ush for something entirely new. if they did.. im not sure that there would be any kind of cohesion to the work they produce. because where they started would have to bear absolutely no resemblance to where they end up. if theyre still making good music.. then carry on i guess. maybe theyll surprise us again someday. but theyre not angry twentysomethings any more. and of course, there is a point where something can become so avante-garde its unlistenable. shock for shock's sake is not the same as innovation + evolution.. |
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this is a dilemma that my mate often brings up i think so long as you stay true to your taste .. and not 'try too hard' to outdo other artists, then you cant lose. looking across medias, there are plenty of visual artists who kept going until they were literallly on their deathbed my favourite example is jean miro even though by the end of his career his work was no longer 'new' .. it retained essence and integrity going back to music - and even still across all medias - artists only seem to fail when they have insane amounts of cash thrown at them. either that or they simply may not desire to be creative for any longer - that much is personal. |
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acrid milk hall > it's not a complaint, really, more like... some kind of nostalgia. : ) anyway i agree with what you said. and they make the music they feel like doing and listening too... let them do. |
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i know what you mean about nostalgia. there are plenty of artists you can look back on like that. but at least the best records they released remain timeless. |
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(by the way, another kind of case since he wasn't "avant-garde" and stuff before... but i really like Peter Gabriel's latest album, 'Up'. sounds very mature -in a good way!- to me.) |
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indeed.... no matter how their "new" sound is and will be, the "old" sound still exists, it is recorded, it is in our memories... |
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