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           marlowe
             from Antarctica on 2004-03-08 12:38 [#01103655]
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Koans aren't there as trick questions, and aren't there to  be compared with one another, viz "oh that koan is lousy,  Koan #23 is, like, SO much better yaknow!". A student  normally studies one koan intensely until they reach a  realisation. The realisation associated with this koan is  that there is no hand, for material things are an illusion  and do not exist, therefore this no hand. Contemplating this  for as long as it takes will bring about the students  realisation. Koans are just one method employed by Buddhism  to bring around Enlightenment. Students of Zen favour a  quicker approach to Enlightenment (in this lifetime, for the  process of preparation for this 'snap' Realisation may have  lasted multiple lifetimes), which is why Zen Masters may be  found hitting their students, giving non-sequitor answers to  questions asked by their students, and shouting etc... each  method employed is specific to the student asking the  question, so at best, we can use these anecdotes of  Enlightenment as interesting studies. Zen can only be  achieved, of course, by Zen. 
 
  
         
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           Spikee Dragon
             from Newcastle (United Kingdom) on 2004-03-08 12:52 [#01103665]
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You also make a few other realisations by studying Marlowes  post in comparison to others in this thread and board. 
 
  
         
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           avart
             from nomo' on 2004-03-08 13:18 [#01103700]
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marlowe: true. spikee: might even be true, too... :)
 
  
         
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           acrid milk hall
             from United Kingdom on 2004-03-08 13:23 [#01103714]
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this thread peaked at the 12th post..
  ..it's been downhill ever since
 
  
         
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           danbrusca
             from Derbyshire (United Kingdom) on 2004-03-08 15:35 [#01103891]
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No, not a Christian. The son of a Zen master actually.
 
  
         
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           qrter
             from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-03-08 15:37 [#01103896]
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I'm the son of a Jedi master.
  actually.
  want to touch my lightsaber?
 
  
         
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           Spikee Dragon
             from Newcastle (United Kingdom) on 2004-03-08 15:53 [#01103922]
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You're a fool.
  I doubt anyone would touch your lightsaber.
  http://www.ashidakim.com/zenkoans/
 
  
         
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           Aesthetics
             from the IDM Kiosk on 2004-03-08 17:00 [#01103960]
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you can do much better!
  try to relax your fingers and wrist, and move your forearm  up and down a bit, then go faster and faster  
 
  
         
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           -crazone
             from smashing acid over and over on 2004-03-08 17:12 [#01103963]
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Jaroen: I clap with one hand for that one hand clap show you  gave, realy beatiful: lol  
 
  
         
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           scup_bucket
             from bloated exploding piss pockets on 2004-03-08 18:02 [#01103996]
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hey i did it!
 
  
         
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           Yrobianot
             from ReykjavÃk (Iceland) on 2004-03-08 23:15 [#01104144]
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If one is sitting on a relatively old wooden chair, it's  somewhat a creaking sound.
 
  And if you're in some kind of room that negates all echo,  you might hear more liquids oozing around your self than you  will if staying perfectly still, in which case you'll mostly  hear the blood flowing through your earlobes.
 
  Though these are not all of the sounds that one hand  clapping can make. 
 
  
         
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           marlowe
             from Antarctica on 2004-05-28 18:40 [#01213071]
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Study MY answer!
 
  
         
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