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are there any? |
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Mira Calix? |
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idm is the ultimate sausage fest |
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nothing wrong with sausage. |
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oh and try Colleen. |
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*noriko tujiko *mileece (gorgeous girl, btw) *emilie simon (more a bjork-type singer than straight up "idm") *let's not forget our very own maria (tallyho) ;) |
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one half of alder & elius sarah in seefeel |
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Neutral, aka Nicole Elmer although I think she went vocal didn't she? damn women IDMers ;*) |
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lets not forget neotropic |
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tujiko noriko! plus there's some pretty talented gals in the erstwhile improv scene... Sachiko M, for example... |
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gender doesn't make music, so does it really matter? |
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damn you tibbar... i was going to say neotropic, and then you posted... and for some reason your evil ohgr blinded me so i didn't notice that you did the whole proper way of writing japanese names and already mentioned the madame of mego... |
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no it doesn't... but i think it's a shame that we can't get more female perspectives on the outer realms of electronic... |
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MWAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA neets: no, yr right... it doesnt having any extra bearing that the difference between males and females doesnt share straight down the line. |
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i don't really believe there is so much difference between the viewpoints of a male or a female |
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it's kinda like 'OOH A WOMAN MAKES IDM' is the same as 'OOH A ONE-ARMED MONKEY MAKES IDM'. it's just about standing out, the gender and music question |
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... but i do love those mira calix shirts :)) |
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yeah... you're right, i really can't argue with that, because male-female is just another stupid dichotomy by which humans try to impose order on a chaotic universe... i think what i'm trying to say is... i wish more chicks would be in awe of the abstract ambient i listen to... i suppose that makes me pathetic, doesn't it... *cries* |
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hahaha i think theres a ton of difference between males and females. ive yet to find a female who is on my wavelength, and i dont mean that in a superiority kinda way... we're just 2 different sides of one coin. |
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difference yes but i think that difference isn't quite a valid argument when it comes to music. just my point of view. (i mean, don't you love those mira calix shirts?!?! :) ) |
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that's kind of like saying the works of kate chopin, or ernest hemmingway weren't colored by their genders and the experiences they have had because of their genders. |
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who is kate chopin? i always though ernest hemmingways things were coloured by his sexuality :o |
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maybe not in a full frontal, seterotypical way no... but theres subconscious things that come from the sum total of your life experiences. and part of my life and my perspective has somethign to do with my gender, ultimately. those experiences would be different if i were female. |
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kate chopin wrote the the rather scandalous at the time novel The Awakening in 1899...i read it for an literature class a few years ago and it really struck a chord with me...i would highly recommend it! and the way i figure, gender is a big part of sexuality! |
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ok, heres somethign i think can elaborate my point: lets say a female is raped (i know, i know. bear with me please) at a young age. lets say she goes on to make music and her angst of that event comes out. now lets say i was beaten by my dad (which i wasnt) when i was young. lets say the angst of that comes out in MY music. so we have 2 situations where the feelings are the same, and maybe there isnt too much noticabe difference in the texture or vibe, but the trigger is different, and therefore there will be sublte differences in approach. |
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its the same all around the board. its not that the differences are SO drastic, just that they exist and are what they are. most people wouldnt ever even notice them, i spose, unless it was in a more bold way (ie: the aforementioned female writes a song with lyrics actually ABOUT the event, etc.) |
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mimi, i just think that when it comes to homosexuality at the time ernest hemingway wrote his stuff, it was more of an era and culuture question... |
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the body you are in affects your approach to life directly and indirectly. for example, i'll bet that someone who has been severely overweight for their life has quite a different perspective than someone else at a healthy weight under otherwise similar circumstances. |
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...but i notice we have very different views about the gender issue |
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i agree with mimi: it all comes to bear, directly or indirectly. but this is all getting kinda OT, i feel bad... this thread was supposed to be about good female electronic musicians. |
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damn, just when this was developing a good discussion.. but my point comes from the stupid remarks female dj's get just for being female. i just don't think anybody should be lifted out just because of gender. maybe in the 19th century it was a different thing, but now at the 21st men and women are equal and given basically the same chances. gender highlighting makes me think of cavemen. dunno how you have it in the states though ;) |
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i just think the opposite about it... i feel like its time for females who are doing good music to be as recognised as they deserve to be, and WOULD be if they were male. that was my only point really. |
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I came here looking for naked chicks. I'll be on my way again now. bye. |
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*shakes fist* |
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yes i agree about that, that is kinda what i meant the whole time if you didn't get it ;) i don't think there should be talk about male or female musicians, just GOOD musicians. nobody should be appreciated just because of gender. so - this thread should be about good musicians, who may be female but shouldn't be rated because of that ;) |
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i guess it comes down to the fact that half of em are super cute, and theres nto nearly enough girls who are into this type of stuff to go around ;) |
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you caveman :) MAN MAKE FIRE! |
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there's a difference between gender role in literature, which relies on the existence of dichotomies in order to function (at all), and abstract electronic music, which has a very, very different, much more, free relationship semiotically... it's not about being able to differentiate between a man and a woman in these things, so much as it is about being able to equate any two things to one another... which in the realm of something as abstract as music, is highly questionable to begin with... |
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*clubs netta's head and drags her off to the lava pits* MAN HUNT! |
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*drags buffalo carcass into mimi's cave* *grunt* MAN MAKE MEAT! *programs a drumloop* |
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i'd certainly like to hear more IDM made by females. what i have heard so far has usually had a very feminine sound; often cuter, or prettier, less arrogant, more innocent. of course i think that merit should be given to the music based purely on quality and production and not on the sex of the creator, but i think women could potentially bring a fresh and different insight to a male dominated musical genre. and these days, since more and more women are becoming just as "computer geeky" as men, i think we may start to see more female electronic musicians. |
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...boobies.... |
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you should check out sophie rimheden. she has a new virual 7" free for download here: http://www.racewillbegin.com/discography.htm the track "wanting" is brilliant!! |
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virual should be virtual of course... :) |
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pardon me while i am an idiot for a moment: what's "semiotically?" i have never heard this word before.. anyhow, of course it's very different; and i am really referring to music as a whole rather than just 'abstract electronic music.' also, i just want to make a point that i am not reducing a person's expression as a Man's expression or a Woman's expression, but i'm just trying to say that being a man or a woman is one of those lil things that gives each person their unique perspective. if that makes any sense (it's getting very late here in wisconsin). |
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cool, i'll check it out! thanks. |
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semiotically=Of or relating to semantics. i agree that at least in this day and age, women and men have very different ways of interpeting and creating art and music. because art is an expression of self, and because males and females are subject to different social, and physical pressures which absolutely have an effect on self and ultimately perspective. |
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semiotics refers to the relation between signs and what they signify... i brought it up in my distinction between literature and music, because our conception of things through language is effected by the very models through which language functions... it would take me a very long time to explain this sufficiently... but the general point i'm trying to make is that there is a much more normative conception of how certain words and concepts fit together (and how these concepts interrelate with such things as gender, and how we assume we should act based on our gender, sexual orientation, etc.) in the realm of written language, which we rely on to communicate concrete ideas to one another, than there is in something as abstract as music, where it is very difficult to make more than very vague associations as to what it is that music signifies other than itself... the reason why i made the distinction of abstract electronic music, is because what this sort of music is intended to signify, due to its relatively marginal status (if any particular meaning can be equated to anything musical, it'd be more easy to make the connection to a guitar swell used a bazillion times over, than a contorted ambient wash that seems truly unfamiliar to most)... |
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now, you are venturing on to my true territory here, dead. best source of information about this: Ferdinand De Saussure. |
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i have never learned how to make those urls clickable... and probably never will. thanks! |
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