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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-02-19 13:22 [#01080696]
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i would assume that comes from the way "posh" sounding accented people from england said the word "ass"
because they have a tendency to elongated pronounciation of a's, it turned out as sounding like
arse
i would assume so anyways, logically thinking
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-02-19 13:22 [#01080697]
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see my post above
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JibberJabber
from United States on 2004-02-19 13:23 [#01080698]
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Bloddy, Soddin, Wanker!
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-02-19 13:23 [#01080699]
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yeah, kind of like how some people thought 'autechre' was to be pronounced 'ortekker' after hearing sean and rob pronounce it with their accents.
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-02-19 13:25 [#01080701]
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well you see, in that case it IS pronounced like that, because that is a name
names have different pronounciation propertys than normal words
take my handle for instance
i made the word up (just like autechre made their name up)
i pronounce it
oss-sil-ick
so that's how it's pronounced because i made that word
you see?
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-02-19 13:27 [#01080702]
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i pronounce your handle as
map-a-taz-ee
that might be wrong
you might pronounce it different whatever you pronounce it as is how it's pronounced because you made it up
(i'm assuming you made it up anyways)
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Intruder
from Chicago (United States) on 2004-02-19 13:27 [#01080703]
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tom-ay-tow, tom-ah-tow is understandable, arse is just weird. ever hear older white guys say "wash"?
they say warsh. same shit i guess.
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-02-19 13:28 [#01080704]
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yeah, that's it
it's just a trend in how people spoke, and it's just not been eradicated over the years
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Intruder
from Chicago (United States) on 2004-02-19 13:29 [#01080706]
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dont forget about me, mine is pronounced PI-mp-mas-tah.
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JibberJabber
from United States on 2004-02-19 13:30 [#01080707]
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Different strokes for different folks eh?
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JibberJabber
from United States on 2004-02-19 13:30 [#01080711]
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I say toe-may-toe and you say toe-mo-toe
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Intruder
from Chicago (United States) on 2004-02-19 13:30 [#01080712]
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Hey horsie, you still out there?
ready to apologiize?
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Intruder
from Chicago (United States) on 2004-02-19 13:31 [#01080714]
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who the hell says toe-mo-toe?
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-02-19 13:31 [#01080716]
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btw, welcome to xltronic
just make sure you don't piss anyone off on here, else hell will rain down on you
heh
j/k
:)
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-02-19 13:33 [#01080718]
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TOE-mә-TOE
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Intruder
from Chicago (United States) on 2004-02-19 13:33 [#01080720]
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nah. we're all good for the most part.
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JibberJabber
from United States on 2004-02-19 13:34 [#01080723]
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[quote] who the hell says toe-mo-toe? [/quote]
The english were saying it last time I heard but that era may be over with.
And thanks for the welcome! As for pissing people off? I hardly ever do if I do it's by accident.
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-02-19 13:34 [#01080724]
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i would have said that i pronounce it
toe-maa-toe (just to accentuate the longer a sound)
but now i'm being picky ;)
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-02-19 13:35 [#01080725]
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sorry to be picky again, but no-one here says
tomoto
which is how you phonetically wrote the word tomato
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Intruder
from Chicago (United States) on 2004-02-19 13:36 [#01080727]
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hmpf. the MOE is fucking me up.
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JibberJabber
from United States on 2004-02-19 13:36 [#01080728]
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So exactly how or why did we (Americans) get degraded to being illiterate, fat and lazy bastards?
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Intruder
from Chicago (United States) on 2004-02-19 13:37 [#01080729]
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yup. :p
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-02-19 13:37 [#01080730]
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what moe?
btw as a tip, you see the red numbers next to the date on someones post?
if you wanna reply to a particulat post, click on those numbers and then start typing in the edit box
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JibberJabber
from United States on 2004-02-19 13:38 [#01080731]
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okay mah! toe-mah-toe! Cut me some slack I'm at work tryin not to get on the internet by my ogre boss!
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Intruder
from Chicago (United States) on 2004-02-19 13:39 [#01080732]
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i know that mister man. sorry, i dont know why i keep typing moe. i mean mo.
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JibberJabber
from United States on 2004-02-19 13:39 [#01080733]
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Okay I clicked your #. Now what happens?
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Intruder
from Chicago (United States) on 2004-02-19 13:40 [#01080734]
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ogre's your boss?
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-02-19 13:41 [#01080735]
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i am only posting a theory, but i would guess that the reason that there are phonetic differences in our pronounciations is that most of the people who migrated into america (in the beginnings) would have been of a poorer class (wanting a better life in the new land) and would have come from a background where they didn't care how they pronounced stuff, just as long as they got the message across
here's an example of a modern day usage of "lazy speaking"
there is an area in the uk called the north. now many people here like to use t' instead of the or to (or both in some cases)
example
i'm going t' shops okay?
instead of i'm going to the shops
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-02-19 14:26 [#01080751]
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Note that "I could care less" is a commonly used phrase. Therefore it is almost certain that people use it because of imitation. Using this phrase is a short cut from the normal process of using thought to form lexically sound sentences by constituent words one by one. Either the phrase started out as "I couldn't..." and then the mutation occured ("I could...") and was successful replicating in peoples minds (imitated). Or the first person who started it said it wrong the first time and it caught on regardless of it's lexical flaw. Perhaps this flaw was not noticable enough to prevent it being imitated in other people's vocal chords or writing. I'd wager that the (incorrect) phrase started out on some tv show or movie somewhere. The mass broadcasting would make it replicate well.
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Q4Z2X
on 2004-02-19 14:33 [#01080755]
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i was going to say how much i also hate when people say this phrase.
but now this thread has been ruined.
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Anus_Presley
on 2004-02-19 14:34 [#01080756]
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Intruder's rreally dumb.
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afxNUMB
from So.Flo on 2004-02-19 14:48 [#01080769]
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I could care less about this thread :D
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-02-19 16:11 [#01080916]
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"so when some non speaking ass euro decides he wants to bad mouth my shit"
This is precisely the sort of thing we're talking about :D
On a serious note, poor communication can have serious consequences... Poorly written wills and contracts are a legal minefield and need I mention the charge of the light brigade?
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Anus_Presley
on 2004-02-19 16:11 [#01080919]
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THIS THRREAD IS OF VALUE
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-02-19 17:13 [#01080967]
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there was some white guy who used to live in africa (but now in america) awhile back who was trying to get some sort of "african american" scholarship or something because the written fine print wasn't very specific about what was meant by african american.
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Dozier
from United States on 2004-02-19 17:57 [#01081006]
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i was really going to reply with something worthwhile, but by the time i got to the end of the thread i realized how stupid it all was.
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2004-02-19 17:59 [#01081009]
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(pardon for the late response, I just awoke from a 4 hour nap)
I know, I was actually referring to the quote "what a stupid country" but I've forgiven you so all is well.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-02-19 18:11 [#01081029]
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Ah yes, polictical correctness, the enemy of good English... see, if they'd been able to say "black american" there'd be no confusion.
One that really does my nut is when someone refers to "he or she" when the person is unknown. It's "he". It looks stupid when you have text like this:
He or she may apply for this job because he or she has an interest in care.
You get some fantastic "politically correct" grammar that you can't begin to parse logically. I've actually seen,
"We are an equal opportunities employer. We especially welcome applications from women and ethnic minorities."
What, you're so equal you make a distincition? Also, the second sentence suggests that ethnic minorites are all male (or genderless).
Worst of all is when they jump between "he" and "she" from page to page. I've seen this in a game manual and I genuinely thought it was using he and she to distinguish between two people. Pretty confusing as it was a one player game.
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Dozier
from United States on 2004-02-19 18:14 [#01081038]
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i'm wit choo.
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corrupted-girl
on 2004-02-19 18:19 [#01081045]
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...but what about the coin man!?!??!!?
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Dozier
from United States on 2004-02-19 18:28 [#01081063]
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yeah, he's cool. i just don't know how your body can handle that. they had to completely remove his stomach. just goes to show you...you can't do that.
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corrupted-girl
on 2004-02-19 18:30 [#01081073]
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yes , excatly.
i wish he was here so i could talk to him.
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Dozier
from United States on 2004-02-19 18:31 [#01081076]
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what would you say?
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corrupted-girl
on 2004-02-19 18:33 [#01081081]
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i would just say 'how are things?' im sure he'd be a lot more interesting then the ol' folks round here... i mean.. he has to be.
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Dozier
from United States on 2004-02-19 18:35 [#01081089]
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you would think. heh. you have to wonder what else might be wrong with him, though. i mean, was he otherwise a normal person? that'd be weird.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-02-19 18:41 [#01081102]
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I could have sworn that a long while back I came across a real word that was meant to be a substitute for "he or she". The definition was something like "noun reffering to someone when the gender is unknown". I wish I remember what it was.
Richard dawkins, in the forward of the selfish gene, dedicated a good couple of paragraphs to the problem of using he or she when writing. Also susan blackmore (who read dawkins and thus was triggered by the same idea) proposed that the dominant use of "he" when referring to unknown genders in conventional writing historically was a meme that eventually, after sooo many times seeing it might truly affect girls' opinions of themselves and their gender by the thought being replicated in their head so frequently.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-02-19 18:50 [#01081122]
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I propose "hermaphrodite" as the new gender unspecific word, heh heh. Or "it". Either of these are always good to refer to qrter of course.
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Doomed Puppy
from on and off and on and off and on 2004-02-19 18:50 [#01081124]
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Languages change because the meaning and use of words and phrases changes in different dialects leading to new languages. The details are sorted until something new arrives. This is a part of cultural evolution.
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Doomed Puppy
from on and off and on and off and on 2004-02-19 18:52 [#01081126]
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Hermaphrodite is the living thing that has both sexual organs. Unless ofcourse you were joking.
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2004-02-19 18:56 [#01081133]
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He was not. Stop being so fucking insulting.
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