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I'm never gonna see this film, but I think it would be cool if there was a film in which Jesus was an action hero; flying through the air, resurrecting clubbed seals, and implementing the ingredient of Kung Fu in his whoop-ass cans he opens upon the bad guys. Yeah. Jesus would be very effective as an action star. |
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it has little to do with the literal meaning of the word 'passion'. That's exactly what I'm talking about. If it was called the Flogging of the Christ or the Beatings of the Christ or the Nailing of the Christ to a Big Fuck-Off Edifice, I'd admire Gibson's honesty even if I still thought he was a cynical, morbid bum-rapist. Horsefactory: I was merely coming back at Elusive with my own argument. He seemed a bit out of line, saying stuff like "you must lead a boring life" if he doesn't know who he's really talking to. A bit presumptuous and self-important. |
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its boring |
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please elaborate. |
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Could you elaborate on what you mean by "please elaborate"? What part are you finding hard to grasp. I'm assuming we're bitching about the word 'passion' still. The Passion of the Christ would suggest it was a film about how much he cared. But it's not. It's a film about how much he got fucked on. Which is distressing and pointless, because it features none of the positive aspects of his life. |
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Jebus cracks a boner in one of the scence... heh |
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please colaborate (with some nazis) ? |
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"Passion" has a slightly different meaning in religious terms to the sense of "overwhelming love" it means in common parlance. |
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What does it mean in religious terms? |
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Passion The sufferings of Jesus in the period following the Last Supper and including the Crucifixion, as related in the New Testament. Answered my own question there through the wonders of dictionary.com Appologies. I still think the film reeks though. |
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JESUS was tortured repeatedly... i dont know how some of you think that this movie should be passionate about things that DIDNT happen, he did get the shit licked outta him numerous times before he was hung on a cross as the whole christianity thing is a lie and complete crap .. this movie sucked, cause its a fairytale besides the fact that they just put some dude on a cross... and yes nacmat is right.. its boring as hell. |
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JESUS was tortured repeatedly... i dont know how some of you think that this movie should be passionate about things that DIDNT happen, he did get the shit licked outta him numerous times before he was hung on a cross as the whole christianity thing is a lie and complete crap .. this movie sucked, cause its a fairytale besides the fact that they just put some dude on a cross... I disagree on so many levels. Yes he was tortured but the Bible only makes a passing reference to him being whipped and it looked to me like an unusually large onus was placed on the whipping part. Also, and I can't explain this, but it just felt to me like they were getting a bizarre kick out of filming a helpless man. As if they were seeing how guesome they could make it so that people would sit up and think "Fuck, he did all that for ME?!!?" Also, I think it's just plain wrong to say that Christianity is a lie and complete crap. There are small truths and goodness in almost everything. But I do agree that the western traditions born of Christianity, where there is a definite distinction between good and evil, and the fact that God is ephemeral and that sex is put down due to it being earthly and base is all a load of toss. "For all the fundamentalists I recommend a healthy dose of psilocybin mushrooms..." --Bill Hicks Oh... and a conversion to Taoism or Zen Bhuddism. |
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this movie sucked, cause its a fairytale besides the fact that they just put some dude on a cross... It sucked because it wasn't based on real events just like almost any other film..? |
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christianity being a lie and absolute crap - particularly unwise words. |
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But didn't you like the episode where Fred and Barney pretend they have dipsydoodleitis so they can sneak off to a water buffalo convention in Frantic City? I mean, the bird: "RAWK Frantic city, doctor's a plumber" Brilliant! |
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christianity being a lie and absolute crap - particularly unwise words. Totally. You don't have to believe in it or anything, but dismissing an entire culture takes a pretty narrow mind. It's just too broad and sweeping. But I like Fleetmouse's completely inappropriate and totally stupid interjection. Reminds one that life isn't actually as serious as many would have you believe. |
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I resent the implication that The Flintstones are somehow less important than Christ. |
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I think God would resent the implication that The Flintstones are more important than his son... were God not the collective minds and souls of everyone in the world combined as a unique power, intrinsically linked through the oneness of the universe. Fleetmouse... it's the Fleetmouse He's the modern techno idio-cy! |
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whatever... to whoever said that I used particularly bad words to say that.. so what??? christianity is a crock of SHIT! If YOU need a myth to tell you to be good to people then your WEAK, i dont need anyone or anything to tell me that I should be good to others or that I should accept things in life. thats crap!!! the bible is a fairytale book, a bedtime story. jesus DID exist, but not as this movie says... he wasnt the son of god.... he wasnt divine... blah blah blah. he was a dude who was in the wrong place at the wrong time, a martyr. read a fuckin book or two on the subject. christianity is conjured up.... much like the stories of the greek gods, no different. NO DIFFERENT. I mean christianity can be traced before the time of "christ" to king making ceremonies thousands of years BC. so make what you will of this whole christianty thing, but I know its a scam. christianity is a crutch. the passion of christ is boring. |
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What you say in that above post is completely true as far as I'm concerned, but Christianity did give rise to some of the best art, music and literature the world has seen. Its cultural and socio importance is huge and I think it would be wrong to dismiss a whole belief system (no matter how ridiculous it seems to you) as being a crock of shit. I know religious people who are intelligent, open minded and a good laugh, as well as being fucking hardcore tokers, ravers, drinkers and just generally up for it. They are not weak. I don't choose to believe and live by what they choose to, but that doesn't mean they are wrong. It's when religion gets out of hand and issues are blown out of all proportion with regard to their original context that things start to get spooky and wrong. I think you need to lighten up on the Christianity bashing a bit. As I keep saying (maybe it's the whiskey) I fucking hate Church and those religious zealots but leave the poor fuckers alone and assault some other religion with your presence for a bit. Balance the hatred out a bit, you know? |
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nobody likes jesus |
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abusing people who share compassion shows a great lack of compassion on your own behalf - which in my experience is a true weakness and can only isolate you |
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When you get to heaven Fred Flintstone and I will be waiting for you all - WITH A GUN |
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rocketjohnny: what a weak ass fucking answer.... or comeback whatever you want to call that. you bring NOTHING to the table, you are horribly uneducated on the subject of christianity I can plainly see that. what you dont get , and im sure of it - is that you dont need a set of rules, or guidelines to keep you in place, you can do it yourself and if not then that is weak and stupid and lame and just overall crappy. and if thats you, then.. well you suck. JAPES:ah! your a good man to talk to on this subject! someone worthy of talking to about this! I can easily agree that its not good or nice to call badly upon others and their religion, if people need to follow something to make them sleep better at night, then go for it! i wont stop anyone! but im just pointing out that these people are relying on it too much, learn... reach out towards other things besides thinking that if your bad your going to hell and if your good your going to heaven... and that the bible is true... or that... well lets just say it could go on for a long time. |
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''reach out towards other things besides thinking that if your bad your going to hell and if your good your going to heaven...and that the bible is true'' You are really underestimating the average Christian's intelligence and sex appeal. |
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there is a lot more to spirituality than 'keeping in place'. and these goals are not exclusive to christianity, they are common through all faiths. i do feel like my breath is being wasted on you though, when you resort to name calling, and riding on the assumption that im 'uneducated'. you couldnt be more wrong. |
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Hahahaha |
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rockenjohnny: pfffff.. hahahaha!!! yeah ok pal, you are uneducated. your a fool, to actually think that your NOT being blindly led around by your shitty spirituality .... thats a joke right? so you need to believe in lies and a myth to make you a spiritual person? hahah!!!!! you simple fool, tell me something - is ignorance bliss? and if you can tell me that you have facts that actually show that christianity isnt something made up and that your basing your spiritual belief system upon a series of lies, then let me know. haha. |
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youre so focused on trying to 'win' an argument that youre missing the point of what im saying. i made no comments as to whether you should follow this religion or that religion, or if you should take to bible as gospel. |
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indeed...flex, chill out for a bit...i dont believe most ov what the bible preaches...but i at least respect it as a great story. |
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Here are some ctrl-v's that are bound to piss you right off, but I feel compelled to paste them all the samee... John 15 17This is my command: Love each other. 18"If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. 19If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you. John 3 18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son. 19This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. |
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Anyway... my perspective on this movie... Really well done, from a cinematic, artistic and theological perspective. While it does lack context, it follows in the tradition of the passion plays which purpose was to get people psyched to find out the rest of the story. I don't think it is any more anti-semetic than a story about the American Revolution would be anti-British. Certainly people throughout history have done horrible things to the Jews in the name of christianity but I don't think that is the correct biblical approach. |
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i like the part where mel gibson sprays feces all over cartman's face. |
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Reflex is a cunt. I'm sure he/she loves it, too. Just addin to the fire. |
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At one time I had the same opinion as Reflex. I would go into the bible chatroom in irc and harrass and debate people all of the time. In fact, I was part of a channel takeover there. Now I am a regular there. |
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Saw this last night. It was a good film but a bit over the top on the gore. Don't get me wrong, I love my gore but this was supposed to be "factual". I'm sure more blood was lost than is actually contained in the human body. It was everywhere. |
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actually, i remember seeing a jack the ripper thign where they dumped a bucket of water on the floor and asked a dude how much water he thoguht it was. he said a gallon, but it was only a pint or 2. |
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other than that little fact, i cant really comment. havent seen it yet (prolly wont until dvd) |
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I stand by my statement anyway. Plus the ending shot made me think Terminator. |
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as i said, havent seen it yet... cant comment |
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Comment anyway. Most people on here comment on things they nothing about. I'm going to start doing the same. |
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i dont liek to do that. |
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Neither do I but it seems to be the order of things. |
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it would have been gore enough if it had followed the bible, but they add more things... thats stupid, it was not neccessary and they only get to make the movie boring as hell. example: I dont need to see how he falls like 15 times carrying the cross, I would have gotten the idea with 3 or 4 times. and probably that would have impressed me more the moments of the begining, previous to being caught could have been a lot better...there is no tension. the fight between soldiers and apostols looks like a xena episode...crap. as a film, it lacks rythm, tension, progression (of argument) and it lacks acting: jewish and romans only shout and laugh women just cry jesus just bleeds but nobody acts... or very little, and when they do those few times...its just normal tv acting...not a good movie in any possible way |
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I think it's a bit early to release a Christmas film. |
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I think it's more of an Easter one. |
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I bow down to a God who slaughters millions of innocent children |
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EXACTLY what I had posted in my first reply to you. and the follow-up asking to "please elaborate" was not following up to you, but to nacmat. you need to start reading closer. |
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good elaboration! :) |
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2/5 how's that for an elaboration. |
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