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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2004-02-14 04:00 [#01072697]
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i dj now for some time, and i thought that a great addition for my hardware would be a nice effect/ filter.
something like the fruity filter ad his cutoff effect would be nice !
can you recommend me something ? how much does this cost ?
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-02-14 04:08 [#01072701]
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For DJing use (although it's not really good enough quality/controllable enough for studio work) the Korg Kaoss pad is good. Also, I've not used one, but the Pioneer EFX500 sounds good and has had favourable reviews (I think it's the standalone FX bit that is built into the DJM600 mixer).
If you choose to go for the Kaoss Pad, I recommend you try to find a KP1 second hand- far cheaper than the KP2 new. There's little difference in the sounds/sampling ability (I know the KP2 has more time, but it's still not enough for anything more than a short loop) and the main difference is the case. The KP1 is fragile in comparison, but so long as you're either:
a) Careful b) Only use it in the bedroom or c) take it to gigs in a flightcase (I use an old generic flightcase I got for £3 second hand :)
it'll be fine.
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2004-02-14 04:09 [#01072703]
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and another question - is it possible to let the sound go through my pc and use filters form him real- time ??
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-02-14 04:10 [#01072704]
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Oh yes, I wouldn't bother with all the different rack mount units you can get- like seperate filters, delay etc.- it gets a pain in the arse lugging them around, even if they're mounted in a rack flightcase and you can't easily re-route the effects whilst you're playing, so you lose the versatility of being able to rechain them.
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2004-02-14 04:11 [#01072705]
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how much did you spend for your kaos pad ceri ?
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-02-14 04:12 [#01072706]
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I've never done that so I couldn't tell you, I've recorded from my decks to pc and then FXed it afterwards, but never in real time.
You can easily put your PC sound into your mixer and route that through hardware FX though :)
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-02-14 04:21 [#01072711]
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Part of load of gear I bought: Pair of Vestax PDX2000, PMC270A mixer (I love this mixer- I prefer it to more expensive 4/5 channel mixers I've used- I hope one day to get the PCV version...), a pair of stanton AL-500 carts, a pair of Stanton AL-505 carts, all the leads, slipmatts etc. and the KP1 for £800. It was all boxed, etc. and this was over a year ago when the gear cost more new, so it was bit of a bargain.
Looking on ebay KP1s are going for about £60- under half the cost of a KP2!
I've used a slightly different model of this and it seemed just as good, however, you have to consider if you break a non replaceable part of the mixer, you've lost your fx too and also if you ever sold the mixer you'd need to buy another KP seperately.
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2004-02-14 04:23 [#01072714]
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price ??
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-02-14 04:34 [#01072720]
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For what, that mixer with kaoss pad built in? That's £230 (not bad if you need a new mixer as well...)
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2004-02-14 04:35 [#01072721]
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mixer + kaoss pad ? what ?
i jsut want the pad....
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2004-02-14 04:36 [#01072722]
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i found a kaos pad 1 for 175 dollars.... is that a good price ?
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-02-14 04:39 [#01072724]
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US dollars? Is that brand new?
You probably won't find it much cheaper than that.
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2004-02-14 04:40 [#01072725]
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hm... yeah i found that mixer with built in kaos pad.... but a mikser form korg ?? hm nah ! i better buy it standalone ....
what about that new kaoss pad entrancer ?? is much cheaper then the normal ones. you know something about it ??
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-02-14 05:18 [#01072749]
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No- the mixer is by numark... korg just worked with them to do the fx bit. There is a version which is a korg branded one, but numark helped do the mixer bits on that.
Whilst I've never seen or heard of a purely korg mixer, but given their relationship with Vestax I imagine they leave that up to them (Korg do a lot of the fx chips for vestax things like the faderboard).
Not heard of the entrancer before.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-02-14 05:20 [#01072751]
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Ah, I had read about the entrancer, but didn't know the name... that's a VJing thing and it's definately not cheap! Similair principle to the KP, but applies fx/filters/transitions to video as opposed to sound from what I can gather.
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2004-02-14 06:03 [#01072778]
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thanks. i looked at the pioneer efx.... terribly expensive. i think tha kaos pad 1 will be the best offer for me... but will be hard to get that in poland !
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-02-14 06:14 [#01072789]
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Maybe try buying it from somewhere in europe that will deliver to you? The KP1 is pretty light (the power supply is tiny too) so P&P wouldn't be much.
Yes, the price of the Pioneer one is offputting, I've seen Trixta use two 3 channel mixers & a 2 channel mixer (to chain them, so six channels total) and a Pioneer FX on the master out. I really didn't get why didn't just buy a DJM600- much cheaper and more versatile routing of sounds into the FX.
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2004-02-14 06:32 [#01072807]
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now that you told me about the numark-thingy in the kaos - mixer, i start to think about that. maybe that's the best choice ?
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-02-14 06:46 [#01072823]
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It depends- the mixer is about £100 more than just the KP on that link I put (2 hours till the auction expires...) they'll post to europe, so you should be okay.
It's worth noting that 4th upfader isn't a channel one, I think it's an FX volume one, the mixer is three channel. Personally, I like 3 channel- you can put two record decks, two cd decks as well as pc/drum machine/groovebox into it and just use the input/transform switches to select between them.
You'd be able to sell your existing mixer too once you had this.
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2004-02-14 08:21 [#01072903]
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no korg.com, there is a completely different mixer ! i was talking about that one.
this numark has 4 channels, the one i saw 2
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2004-02-14 08:26 [#01072913]
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no no ! that one you showed me is completely not usable !
equalizer on master channel... that's so stupid !
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