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           sadist
             from the dark side of the moon on 2004-02-14 04:00 [#01072697]
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 i dj now for some time, and i thought that a great addition  for my hardware would be a nice effect/ filter. 
 
  something like the fruity filter ad his cutoff effect would  be nice ! 
 
  can you recommend me something ? how much does this cost ? 
 
  
         
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           Ceri JC
             from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-02-14 04:08 [#01072701]
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For DJing use (although it's not really good enough  quality/controllable enough for studio work) the Korg Kaoss  pad is good. Also, I've not used one, but the Pioneer EFX500  sounds good and has had favourable reviews (I think it's the  standalone FX bit that is built into the DJM600 mixer).
 
  If you choose to go for the Kaoss Pad, I recommend you try  to find a KP1 second hand- far cheaper than the KP2 new.  There's little difference in the sounds/sampling ability (I  know the KP2 has more time, but it's still not enough for  anything more than a short loop) and the main difference is  the case. The KP1 is fragile in comparison, but so long as  you're either:
  a) Careful b) Only use it in the bedroom or  c) take it to gigs in a flightcase (I use an old generic  flightcase I got for £3 second hand :) 
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           sadist
             from the dark side of the moon on 2004-02-14 04:09 [#01072703]
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and another question - is it possible to let the sound go  through my pc and use filters form him real- time ?? 
 
  
         
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           Ceri JC
             from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-02-14 04:10 [#01072704]
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Oh yes, I wouldn't bother with all the different rack mount  units you can get- like seperate filters, delay etc.- it  gets a pain in the arse lugging them around, even if they're  mounted in a rack flightcase and you can't easily re-route  the effects whilst you're playing, so you lose the  versatility of being able to rechain them. 
 
  
         
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           sadist
             from the dark side of the moon on 2004-02-14 04:11 [#01072705]
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how much did you spend for your kaos pad ceri ?
 
  
         
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           Ceri JC
             from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-02-14 04:12 [#01072706]
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I've never done that so I couldn't tell you, I've recorded  from my decks to pc and then FXed it afterwards, but never  in real time.
 
  You can easily put your PC sound into your mixer and route  that through hardware FX though :) 
 
  
         
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             from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-02-14 04:21 [#01072711]
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Part of load of gear I bought: Pair of Vestax PDX2000,  PMC270A mixer (I love this mixer- I prefer it to more  expensive 4/5 channel mixers I've used- I hope one day to  get the PCV version...), a pair of stanton  AL-500 carts, a  pair of Stanton AL-505 carts, all the leads, slipmatts etc.  and the KP1 for £800. It was all boxed, etc. and this was  over a year ago when the gear cost more new, so it was bit  of a bargain. 
 
  Looking on ebay KP1s are going for about £60- under half  the cost of a KP2!
  I've used a slightly different model of this and  it seemed just as good, however, you have to consider if you  break a non replaceable part of the mixer, you've lost your  fx too and also if you ever sold the mixer you'd need to buy  another KP seperately. 
 
  
         
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           sadist
             from the dark side of the moon on 2004-02-14 04:23 [#01072714]
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price ??
 
  
         
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           Ceri JC
             from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-02-14 04:34 [#01072720]
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For what, that mixer with kaoss pad built in? That's £230 (not bad if you need a new mixer as well...)
 
  
         
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             from the dark side of the moon on 2004-02-14 04:35 [#01072721]
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mixer + kaoss pad ? what ?
  i jsut want the pad....
 
  
         
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           sadist
             from the dark side of the moon on 2004-02-14 04:36 [#01072722]
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i found a kaos pad 1 for 175 dollars.... is that a good  price ?
 
 
 
  
         
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             from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-02-14 04:39 [#01072724]
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US dollars? Is that brand new?
  You probably won't find it much cheaper than that.
 
  
         
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           sadist
             from the dark side of the moon on 2004-02-14 04:40 [#01072725]
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hm... yeah i found that mixer with built in kaos pad.... but  a mikser form korg ?? hm nah ! i better buy it standalone  ....
 
  what about that new kaoss pad entrancer ?? is much cheaper  then the normal ones. you know something about it ??  
 
  
         
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             from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-02-14 05:18 [#01072749]
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No- the mixer is by numark... korg just worked with them to  do the fx bit. There is a version which is a korg branded  one, but numark helped do the mixer bits on that. 
 
  Whilst I've never seen or heard of a purely korg mixer, but  given their relationship with Vestax I imagine they leave  that up to them (Korg do a lot of the fx chips for vestax  things like the faderboard).
 
  Not heard of the entrancer before.
 
  
         
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           Ceri JC
             from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-02-14 05:20 [#01072751]
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Ah, I had read about the entrancer, but didn't know the  name... that's a VJing thing and it's definately not cheap!  Similair principle to the KP, but applies  fx/filters/transitions to video as opposed to sound from  what I can gather. 
 
  
         
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           sadist
             from the dark side of the moon on 2004-02-14 06:03 [#01072778]
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thanks. i looked at the pioneer efx.... terribly expensive.  i think tha kaos pad 1 will be the best offer for me... but  will be hard to get that in poland ! 
 
  
         
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             from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-02-14 06:14 [#01072789]
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Maybe try buying it from somewhere in europe that will  deliver to you? The KP1 is pretty light (the power supply is  tiny too) so P&P wouldn't be much.
 
  Yes, the price of the Pioneer one is offputting, I've seen  Trixta use two 3 channel mixers & a 2 channel mixer (to  chain them, so six channels total) and a Pioneer FX on the  master out. I really didn't get why didn't just buy a  DJM600- much cheaper and more versatile routing of sounds  into the FX. 
 
  
         
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           sadist
             from the dark side of the moon on 2004-02-14 06:32 [#01072807]
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now that you told me about the numark-thingy in the kaos -  mixer, i start to think about that. maybe that's the best  choice ?  
 
  
         
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             from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-02-14 06:46 [#01072823]
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It depends- the mixer is about £100 more than just the KP  on that link I put (2 hours till the auction expires...)  they'll post to europe, so you should be okay.
 
  It's worth noting that 4th upfader isn't a channel one, I  think it's an FX volume one, the mixer is three channel.  Personally, I like 3 channel- you can put two record decks,  two cd decks as well as pc/drum machine/groovebox into it  and just use the input/transform switches to select between  them.
 
  You'd be able to sell your existing mixer too once you had  this. 
 
  
         
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           sadist
             from the dark side of the moon on 2004-02-14 08:21 [#01072903]
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no korg.com, there is a completely different mixer ! i was  talking about that one. 
 
  this numark has 4 channels, the one i saw 2 
 
  
         
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           sadist
             from the dark side of the moon on 2004-02-14 08:26 [#01072913]
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no no ! that one you showed me is completely not usable !
  equalizer on master channel... that's so stupid !
 
  
         
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