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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2004-02-05 15:44 [#01061315]
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I love this... some people say it sounds cheap and cheesy, but I think it's great... it really makes the lyrics more of an extra instrument, rather then the focus of the song, which is the way I like lyrics to be usually...
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mc_303_beatz
from Glasgow, Scotland on 2004-02-05 15:48 [#01061317]
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Yeah. Mogwai and Pink Floyd have used it to great effect. I have a VSTi vocoder and it sounds great :D
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AlbertoBalsalm
from ReykjavÃk (Iceland) on 2004-02-05 15:49 [#01061319]
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if it's done right, then it can sound good.
i like dmx krew's vocoding. glass room!
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DiaZoHeXagoN
from The city of angels (United States) on 2004-02-05 15:49 [#01061320]
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I have one but I have no idea how to use it...do you know of any tutorials?
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2004-02-05 15:50 [#01061322]
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for instance, I think Cher raised the bar when she used it in that song... damn, that was nice!
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AlbertoBalsalm
from ReykjavÃk (Iceland) on 2004-02-05 15:51 [#01061323]
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no no NO! i hate how they use vocoder's in mainstream pop. well, sometimes it's that bad, that it's actually funny. but still, it's awful
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DiaZoHeXagoN
from The city of angels (United States) on 2004-02-05 15:52 [#01061325]
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agreed, but even if its funny it becomes annoying rather quick
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2004-02-05 15:53 [#01061326]
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I hate it in mainstream pop a whole lot, but I LOVE it in electronic tracks
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AlbertoBalsalm
from ReykjavÃk (Iceland) on 2004-02-05 15:53 [#01061327]
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yeah
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2004-02-05 15:54 [#01061329]
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haha, yeah, I was being sarcastic... :)
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2004-02-05 15:55 [#01061330]
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for instance I fucking hated it in that cher song.
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2004-02-05 15:56 [#01061331]
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I was listening to Air's Moon Safari album before, which is why I made this thread... the vocoders on there are cool...
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2004-02-05 15:57 [#01061336]
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Cher didnt use a vocoder. She used a program called Auto Tune. Well her producer did.
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DiaZoHeXagoN
from The city of angels (United States) on 2004-02-05 15:58 [#01061338]
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auto tune.... vocoder whatever that song sucked
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2004-02-05 15:58 [#01061339]
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oh my, you mean she didn't write her own song? :O
*faints*
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2004-02-05 15:59 [#01061340]
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I'm not disagreeing with that. Just thought I'd point it out. It's important :P
funk: Sorry to have had to break it to you.
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AlbertoBalsalm
from ReykjavÃk (Iceland) on 2004-02-05 16:01 [#01061343]
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for a second there, i lost all respect for you. i loath that stupid 'do You beLIIEVeveVE in love after love' cher song
don't scare me like that again
:)
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2004-02-05 16:01 [#01061344]
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you've stripped the innocence away from me... now my heart is exposed to the harsh realities of the world!!
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DiaZoHeXagoN
from The city of angels (United States) on 2004-02-05 16:01 [#01061345]
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oh I was just being stupid, I didnt think you were disagreeing
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2004-02-05 16:03 [#01061351]
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It's not a Vocoder in the Cher track, that effect is Autotune turned up full, a REAL vocoder is this.....
here
The first ever one! in the 20's or something! Experimental IDM music my arse!
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DiaZoHeXagoN
from The city of angels (United States) on 2004-02-05 16:05 [#01061357]
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where did you find that?
I heard the first one was first displayed at some world fair around the 20's
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2004-02-05 16:06 [#01061361]
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that's it.
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2004-02-05 16:06 [#01061363]
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yeah, the vocoder goes back a ways... I remember we talked about it in a Popular Music course I did in university... I forget the details though...
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2004-02-05 16:38 [#01061396]
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Great to use it for other than vocals. like vocode a drum track to a synth track. or vocode your dick to a 2-by-4.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-02-05 16:46 [#01061412]
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He he, did you check out that remixing book I told you about then?
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2004-02-05 16:49 [#01061415]
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the peff one? I've ordered that but not read it yet.
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-02-05 16:52 [#01061420]
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I hate gay vocoder. The only instance I can think of that I've liked it is in Boards - '1969'. And I guess in Bola - Pae Paoe' it is kind of neat.
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2004-02-05 16:53 [#01061421]
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and while I remember. Got your e-mail to day mate, But I was in the server room all day and didn't get a chance to go on my computer :) Server room was fun though :D
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AlbertoBalsalm
from ReykjavÃk (Iceland) on 2004-02-05 16:54 [#01061422]
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ROBOTS by kraftwerk is a classic
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2004-02-05 16:55 [#01061423]
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Aphex Twin uses a lot of vocoder on ICBYD..
at least that's what it sounds like to me.
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2004-02-05 16:57 [#01061424]
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I think they're synthesised voices. But don't hold me to that :P
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-02-05 16:57 [#01061425]
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Where are there any voices besides 'come on you slags'? That doesn't really sound like vocoder...
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-02-05 16:58 [#01061428]
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Nope the one purely on remixing... a load of ninja tunes/warp artists are in it and it mentioned how the vocoder-like effect on Cher's comeback song was done :)
I will preorder peff's one tommorow probably as I've got to go to town anyway.
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2004-02-05 17:05 [#01061433]
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OK :P
I'll check my e-mails as I have a vague recollection of a remix book.....
BAM!
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2004-02-05 17:10 [#01061437]
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Those voices on ICBYD are the preset voices that you get on a mac text to speech program.
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2004-02-05 17:23 [#01061454]
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Not just for voices. like in Ventolin, i think he has the Bass Drum vocoded to the Screeching. because of the way the screeching sound gets tweeked by every bass hit.
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2004-02-05 17:24 [#01061456]
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anyway, i use vocodor a LOT but i hardly ever use it on voices. mostly on synths and drums.
i got the idea one day while smoking buds and listening to ICBYD because that what it sounded like to me.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-02-05 17:28 [#01061461]
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I like using a breakbeat as the modulator for long held notes/chords on a synth pad.
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2004-02-05 17:29 [#01061462]
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one example: i have always theorized, that much of the confusion about whether the voice is saying "come on you slags!" and "I want sex" is because it is both of those phrases, vocoded against eachother. i've done tricks like that easily with a vocoder.
but yo. that's just what it sounds like to me. i never chatted with RDJ about or nothing.
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2004-02-05 17:30 [#01061463]
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yeah word, that's what i'm talking about. it's how i did a lot of the noises in my track "blip hop" that shit was almost all vocoder tricks.
i don't think i have that track online though, it's on the EP i've been giving out.
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DJ Xammax
from not America on 2004-02-05 17:31 [#01061464]
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4 Words:
Harder Better Faster Stronger
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2004-02-05 17:31 [#01061465]
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That's a ring modulator...
have you heard this BOC track off their new album....
http://home.chello.no/~karis/boca.mp3
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2004-02-05 17:32 [#01061468]
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ahh. i love the ring modulator. so versitile.
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2004-02-05 17:33 [#01061469]
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no i've not heard that boc track shall i download it?
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-02-05 17:34 [#01061470]
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Sounds like a kid learning to play a "toy" keyboard :P
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2004-02-05 17:34 [#01061472]
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no don't... it's a joke...
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2004-02-05 17:35 [#01061473]
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BOC sound like a kid playing a Toy Piano!? Nonsense! ;)
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2004-02-05 17:40 [#01061479]
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sounds like a gerbil playing a whoopee cushion
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big
from lsg on 2004-02-05 18:17 [#01061514]
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yes, as well as the best guitar tap solo ever
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big
from lsg on 2004-02-05 18:19 [#01061519]
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have to get some vanhalen, just thriller wont beat it
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