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i've started to strangely appreciate this type of music.. it may sound like nails on a chalkboard to people who are only used to "average" music/melodies.. it seems like many rock-type bands are starting to incorporate the discordant sound.. maybe trying to appear to listeners as angry, frustrated and "evil".. or perhaps that's just how they are.. bands such as the dillenger escape plan, and various mike patton projects. i find the concept of music made with an opposite mentality and harmonic technique to what we are all so used to be very intriguing.. using them doesn't sound "good" in the normal sense , but it is perfect for expressing certain "devilish" emotions and giving the piece a very unsettling quality. i can see why these type of note combinations/intervals were thought to summon the devil during the middle ages.. i mean.. it somehow sounds like pure vileness and negativity. a few of the piano tracks on druqks seem have those sort of sounds/chords in them. but rich doesn't seem to ever really incorporate it into most of his other music, from what i've head,.. and i've really not heard any other electronic musicians that use duochords in their music.. so if anyone cares about what i am talking about share some of your favourite composers of this "devilish" music and sound.. or if there are some contemporary musicians, electronic or otherwise,.. list them.. here's some very interesting links with some examples of duochordal music and duochord-using musicians: |
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also, the first link tells a bit of the history of the music.. and shows kind of how it is made.. the second link has a few examples that type of music under the "negative" section.. some of it reminds me of something from a horror movie or something. |
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aw.. someone at least read the article.. maybe i should've put "not-spam!" at the end of the topic title. but on the other hand, i kind of like having a thread to myself. ahhh.. *kicks off shoes, puts feet up on the xlt-coffee table, picks nose disgustingly since no one is around, etc..* |
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that article was INCREDIBLY interesting. gives me some ideas.... thank you muchly. |
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i will definitely check this out when i have more time... |
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cooel. i know many of you will find this to be very interesting.. so don't be shy now. |
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i'm trying to understand. zodiacs. what? what? |
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it's just a a way to relate it to something.. an example.. you don't need to believe in that stuff for it to make sense.. |
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hey, somebody else read this. |
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you clearly should listen to Boards of Canada then. their stuff is packed with this. |
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http://www.davidac.fsworld.co.uk/boc.htm |
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lots of interesting little things, such as the 'devil's interval', an interval of 6 notes, eg C-F#... |
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"the devil's interval"? what a cracka christian name for that interval, which is a diminished 5th. it's six semitones, not six "notes" btw, and unless handled well sounded really cheesy. |
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i've heard a bit of their stuff, but nothing using those type of note combinations. what album of there's would you recommend? don't they have one that is sort of satanic themed? like with a 66 minute play time and a 666 mb amount of data/sound on the disc? or something like that..which album is that again? |
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bah, that guy on crack. Negative music? Give me a break. Sure, he has some good points in the essay... but he is also wrong about alot of things. |
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recommend me a song that uses only duochordal stuff. I'm interested. |
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I was seriously into stuff like noisecore and mathcore for some time... Many of them use discordant melodies. They don't always come off as evil or perverted some times they are just weird. I'm not sure if we are talking about the same thing but I would recommend seattle bands botch ("anthology of dead ends" ep), playing enemy ("cesarean" full length). There is also a grindcore band that has totally discordant riffs: "discordance axis". Canadian band voivod and death metal bands like morbid angel are quite discordant. Also another seattle band "melvins" (they have a million albums out). There are quite a few actually. |
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"Today is the day" also... i get really negative vibes from their albums--- its really strange though how sound works with the nervous system. A big part of the impact is based on psychological and social factors. |
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i do enjoy listening to music that has unusual or discordant qualities relative to western music, the master musicians of jajouka and the state bulgarian women's choir come to mind, but music wholly built from these intervals and relationships seems unnecessarily self-conscious and forced. to me, it's like a curry with only one spice. at least, this was my reaction to the "duoville" mp3. if you enjoy it, however, keep on. anyway, it was a very interesting article and linked to a great resource for further inquiry. |
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I am not sure I exactly understand what you are trying to say with the words "self-conscious and forced". Can you be a bit more specific? |
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i guess this comes from a reaction that is entirely subjective, because while i don't find these relationships entirely unpleasant, i don't find them entirely satisfying or interesting. to each their own. thinking of the mp3 with the article, called "duoville," choosing to compose using only those relationships seemed like an exercise in enforced lack of variation, the self-conscious choice of an unbalanced palette. interesting as an experiment, but not as music. |
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Q4Z2X--->Xenakis maybe... plaidzebra--->Maybe you had that reaction because you already knew they were experimenting. When negative feelings swallow everything else they are best represented by perverted-ugly-non harmonical music or sudden outbursts of sonic violence in notes, volume and texture. I can easily imagine the notes in this track describing what I feel sometimes. I just don't get what you mean with "unbalanced palette". Do you mean that you can't listen to that type of algorithms at any mood or that it is so unpleasant that it is impossible for somenone to listen to it as real music. If it's the latter i can only say that maybe we just aren't used to that type of music... maybe we just need to work on it. |
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no, i said i didn't find it unpleasant. i just don't find it interesting personally. it's not good or bad, it simply is what it is. i've heard enough music to know what i like, and still find new things to like as well. when i say it's not interesting as music, i mean that only for me, not for anyone else. let them speak for themselves... |
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Q4z2x - thanks for the article, it was interesting. i enjoyed the duoville composition quite a bit. i've been very interested in various uses of dischord in music for a long time. there's a lot of music all over the world that we would normally find extremely dissonant or unappealing, but to people in other cultures it's the norm and they think that the major scale is the worst sound in the world. i like experimenting with a lot of different "ugly" sounds in my music, atonality, notes that clash or detuning or intentionally playing something "incorrectly". it's amazing how many more choices you have on your palette when you get away from the confines of traditional scales or things like that. |
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bump. |
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It soundsa at least interesting. Still yet to uncover by me. |
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yeah, interesting stuff. Feldman´s music is great btw... |
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I'll read this later. |
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