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anybody else feel dance has reached a piont where it needs a good kick up the arse in the 60/70 prog rock was predominant in rock music and then along came punk, the mudane norm that prog rock had become was overturned, punk was like a beacon to those who wanted more i dunno i just feel dance has got that mundane part of the cycle, it needs its 'punk' moment things will come for dance as we know as its still an infant in comparison to rock music (rock having been about 50 years or there about) discuss |
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It's SO hard to be shocking now. I mean, we've heard everything. I can't possibly imagine something coming along to inject enough new life into music to revolutionize the way rock did in the '50s and punk in the mid-late '70s. The whole shock factor was a big part of it, the style was as important as the substance. |
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It doesn't need to 'Shock', it's a big shift in focus that Rock 'n' Roll and Punk achieved, people trying to shock is OLD |
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I agree in that we probably won't see many more musical revolutions, as it seems that electronica has pushed the envelope to it's limit. Still though, you never know what is going to happen or what will be considered music 100 years from now. |
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music will shock again prog rock>punk new romantics>rave |
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dance has had several "punks" over the years... and music won't stop progressing just because we can't fathom where it can go from here.... |
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It doesn't really NEED to and I wish it didn't have to, but I think it WILL have to. Otherwise, nobody will really give a shit, and everything will just be segregated into their own little crawlspaces like they are now. But I'm just theorizing, I hope something huge happens soon. |
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Though I guess every little movement is huge to SOMEBODY, and that's all that matters. |
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The whole mp3/anyone can make music thing is quite punk, if you're waiting for a hairstyle, and a uniform... right, I'mm off for a lemon merangue |
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i think most of the electronic music discussed here is alot more "punk" in its significance/purpose than most of the current shit-pop-rock bands that call themselves "punk." |
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Thank god we still have peple like DJ Tiesto |
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when punk kicked off it was kidz playin rock really badly i put on my own shows with friends and play my music really badly. punk snot dead. |
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we're on the cusp of a massive neo-hippie diy counter-movement, which will (and is) manifest(ing) itself in every artistic fashion possible |
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seriously tho. i think raves were the modern punk show. completely diy and put on by the kids with no regard for the law. But as far as shocking audiences like the pistols or say g.g allin i don't know how much of that happens. I do take a punk approach, if u can call it that, i was born into punk rock and not too many years back was still sportin the leather jacket, studs mowhawk etc and playin in a punk band. Without goin into too much about whatit was to be a punk, i think its still part of me and as lot of others that were/ are punks that discovered electro. punks played music relative to the time and we are in a digital age so naturally the music will reflect that. So to a degree some of us are still punks.... And on the topic of shock, i'm still hoping to send a punter catatonic from witnessing me dissembowel myself on stage. |
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be careful not to wear "punk" as a badge.. it sort of defeats the object (surely?) and shocking people is easy.. and not a very smart thing to do, unless you have some intellect to back it up. shock for shock's sake is a bit of a shabby tactic in my opinion. it doesnt stay fresh or funny for long. |
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Without getting into the punk anarchy thing, which seems to be either dead or just silly these days .... when i think of the "punk" era and especially punk concerts, i think of high energy, adrelin-rushed, angry, scarey mashups. You get these at Rephlex/warp gigs my friend. Squarepusher - Dublin 2002 The guy kept us waiting for half an hour before he came on and then he launched a massive sonnic wave of drill on our asses, shouting as he went, before fucking us right up with Cmon my Selector. He's a punk with a beard! RDJ - Sonar2001 - pure angrey hellsounds via jungle/gabba/noise/whitehouse screaming...... dance music does NOT get more punk than that Kid 606 with DJ Ruppture - Dublin, summer 2003 Ragga jungle cutup sound-fisting. It was well ardcore... Local Dublin outfit "Undermine" are a great young punk/dnb band with punk leanings. Its happening man! |
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yay! you seem to be thinking along the same lines as me mr.keyfumbler. its not about safety pins & style over content.. its all about the music* *cliché, i know. by the way - i see youre from dublin. im coming over to your fair city in february for my birthday. was wondering if you could recommend me any shops (record or otherwise), bars, clubs, sights, sounds i should check out. unfortunately, my birthday falls on a tuesday this year - so im going to be in dublin mon-weds [not the best time of week for sampling a city's nightlife] as a local im sure you can recommend a few ways in which to spend my time that i probably won't find booklets about at the tourist information centre..? |
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what about that spikey ass clown in Prodigy? wasn't he suposed to be some kind of punk ass? |
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what about that spikey ass clown in Prodigy? wasn't he suposed to be some kind of punk ass? Atari Teenage Riot. |
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oops. i meant to say "also A T R" but hm yep. |
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the way i see it youre asking for dance to get bad and rough .. which it has! this depends on whether you classify the stuff we listen to as being dance |
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its intelligent dance. |
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"this depends on whether you classify the stuff we listen to as being dance" I don't. Some of it is "danceable" but I probably wouldn't try it anyway. |
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music doesn't have intelligence... it's creators do/do not. |
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Yes, when most people think of dance, they actually think of the pop dance stuff you get on the radio and in gash nightclubs. |
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yer mainly because it has the recognizable edges .. i like to see that being challenged :) |
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i ahte the term idm its crap and will not use it other than to degrade it what i mean with this whole thing is, not for techno/dance/whatever to become more punk like, i mean a revolution in style that punk gave to its time something different, something new |
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orr have we? |
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i also hate the term 'idm' -it doesnt mean anything.. like most generic divisions.. |
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true |
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looks like we have an accord on this subject then, sir.. |
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does anyone actually LIKE the term IDM? who's the fucker who said it in the first place? |
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i dont know.. but i think we should find them & make explicit our stance on the subject |
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does anybody really CARE about the term IDM? honestly? how many times do we have to go through it? |
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is that a trick question? |
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