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i made a thread some time ago about hardware synthesizers, trying to get one caue a lot of people told me that making music on hardware is much better. now i'm not sure for myself. i mean i work now for some time in fruity. i make schranz at the moment and sometimes i have to make a real hard beat, but the soft just starts to fart and squeak. and when i listen to the "professional" songs every drum is so hard... or for example other synths or effects. now my question is. is hardware actually better that software or is today's soft so good that it doesn;t make a difference ? discuss... |
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Well the quality doesn't matter anymore these days (need some special equipment in your pc for high quality sounds) There is only a big difference in the way you create the music |
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This is a big Arguement I feel you need both for a great piece of music but... Hardware always sounds better to my ears, even though I love electronic music. |
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it's sometimes kinda frustrating, when you try to make some noise on software you heard on a hardware synth... but the argument with the way of creating is kinda right ! i mean for a lot less money you can make much more complicated songs... |
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It's a toughy that's for sure. :) |
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i'm curious if afx or autechre create their WHOLE music now on pc's... |
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nowadays, the difference is hard to tell.. most hardware has software on it, and lots of software comes with hardware. |
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I think alot of artists still prefer hardware! (Virus, Nord's, Korg's...) The hands-on-control and stability is SO much better on hardware stuff! + it's alot more fun to fool around with a hardware synth then a software synth... Still... there are some really great softsynths out there (absynth2, reaktor, D'cota, Melohman...) I like to use both... I don't see why I should only use hardware or software... |
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you have one of theses ?? |
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which one do you mean? |
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the hardware stuff |
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I've a Korg, no Virus :-( But the brand new Clavia G2 will be mine really soon! That will be great fun to play with! Endless rotary knobs with LEDs! whohow! yeah! :) |
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could you maybe send me some samples from your korg ? how it sounds ?? |
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It's worth noting that the old argument of "hardware for live performance due to stability" is not quite as true as it was 5 years a ago. Macs always have been pretty stable and w2k/XP machines are now really reliable if you set them up properly. It's also worth noting that hardware crashes too... notes get stuck etc. infinite non-killable delay loops, or they just stop making sound. Admittedly you just need to power off and back on to fix it in 99% of the cases, but it's still disruptive. |
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i would want to try some hardware stuff, but nobody of my friends have one... a pity. |
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I was not talking about the platform you're on, I was talking about the plugins you use! Alot of these really sound great (absynth2, Reaktor...) but they still have alot of bugs :-( |
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I would say it's best to go somewhere in between, pick up a couple good hardware synths and get some good softsynth/sequencing/recording software or something to that effect. To me that has always seemed like the most versatile solution. |
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the other eason you might'nt get such a big sound from software is that allot of people try to mix there stuff too loud. you should try and keep your mixes peaking at around -9db. i had a realease on a compilation some time ago, and when i sent the dat to the label they sent me i nice email saying i would have to re do it at a lower volume. i sent it back at around -9db, they sent it off to the mastering place, and it came out sweet on the cd. some people try to push there levels far too hard, especially with software. i use a mix of hard / soft and ive always gotta pump the software, and go real easy on the hardware to make them blend. anyway, back to the hard vs soft. i think there both really close, (hardware is more fun though) good compression will make your software sound very hardware. especially if you use hardware compression. |
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that made absolutely no sence? |
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hardware is so damn expensive. you can get so much more software synths, effects for your buck than hardware stuff. look at Reason for example. just the maelstrom synth alone is probably worth the price of the whole package. if it were a hardware synth, it would probably cost at least $600. |
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dont use software myself - so im biased :] |
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i would love to use hardware as well as software as they both have their benefits and faults. At the moment it isnt feasible for me to use much hardware as i just dont have the money to spend. But sometime in the future i would like some hardware to use with my software. I think a good medium between hard/software would be great |
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invest in analog.. Can't go wrong. Midi retro fit is heaven. |
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you might be right. but when i make the song at lower volume... how do i volume it up later ? cool edit ? |
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Yes, you can normalise it in any decent wav editing package (soundforge, cool edit, wavelab, etc.) Remember of course you lose a bit of quality every time you normalise, volume down, normalise, volume down, etc. |
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yeah i know about that. but here's a difference. when i make some idm, electronic or whatever song i don't mind about loudness. making techno i do... but i hope it's a matter of time till ifind out how to make it. |
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normalise is BAD. try learning about true compression instead. much better results. |
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yeah i started to like the compressor. nice effects of , "dumping" the sound with bass. |
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Hmm, I've read you should normalise before compressing... |
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Yes, putting too much into it and getting that "pumping" sound can be a good effect :) |
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i don't much feel like searching for interview links, but i know i've read quotes from autechre, aphex and haujobb stating that they've completely moved away from hardware. aphex's treated piano being an exception. boards of canada still use lots of external hardware. that's how they get the sound that they do. recording to tape, true analog synths etc. i work in a music store and have access to anything and everything hardware or software. i've chosen the complete software route save for a midi controller and my six year old nord lead. now that the power of laptops can rival that of a desktop, it doesn't make sense to me not to use a laptop. the ability to be completely portable is an absolute necessity and luxury i couldn't conceive of being without. therefore hardware must be expendable. an inablity to work on tracks away from home because i need my virus, andromeda, triton or what have you, would be infuriating. expense is also something to consider. look at it this way - 1 Access Virus C Keyboard or 1 Nord Lead 3 (which is not a true analog synth, it's a model just like a software synth), $2000 dollars: Reaktor 4+Absynth 2+Moog Modular V+Kontakt+Reason 2.5+Ableton Live 3.0=$2000. I guarantee you Reaktor and Absynth can make sounds the Virus or Nord are incapable of, while the Modular Plug In is a nearly flawless replica of the old Moog Modular hardware synth that the Nords and Virus's are trying to 'copy' in the first place. I can understand the plusses of having all the knobs of a hardware synth in front of you, but the selection and affordability of midi controllers the way they are now it's just as easy to set-up a controller to tweak you software plug-ins. basically i chose software because: it's cheaper, more portable and sounds equal to but usually superior to hardware. that's my long winded two cents. |
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Correction it should read like this: 1 Access Virus C Keyboard or 1 Nord Lead 3 (which are not true analog synths, they're models just like a software synth) |
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here's autechre equipment list taken from some magazine |
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I don't use hardware (hell, I don't even have a computer!), simply because I can't play fo' shizzle. so my music is mostly sample-based, which means using stuff like SoundForge and Nuendo will do me fine. |
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I like hardware better, it's fun and you tend to be more productive than with software. I like the analog sound better than the digital sound too. |
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Yeah I read an Autechre interview recently where they said they didn't like using software synths or software samplers atall... I make a lot of beats in software these days - Really like Fruity Loops and Renoise for that kind of stuff... Obviously analog synths are still totally different sounding from software... But compression and EQ are where using an all software setup can let you down the most... Software compressors don't seem to add much in the way of punch or life to drum sounds - And as soon as you've got more than a few db's of gain reduction you're starting to suck the life out things... (I am in desperate need of some decent compressors by the way) I use a mix - I use software for drums, sequencing, sound effects and things... And a bunch of analog synths and two sound modules for all my synth parts... I use things like FM7 and Absynth from time to time too. Then I use a reel-to-reel and mixing desk to add a little punch and warmth to the drum sounds. The fact is, music produced with software still sounds very different from music produced with all hardware - Just down to personal preference what combination of the two you like best. |
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