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offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-01-08 09:06 [#01023273]
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My imagination has always as far as I remember, imagined
things strictly visually. But yesterday I was about to go to
sleep and for the first time, I was imagining sound/ever
mutating super fucked up music! It was freaking awesome and
probably the best music I've ever "heard"...

I don't mean interpreting visual things as sound, like I've
done before. That method sucks compared to this.. it was
actual sound, so to speak, interpreted in exactly the
same way as real sound. And it just came in to my
imagination naturally without any effort at all. It was all
writhing with a multitude of effects and mutations which
would be impossible to replicate without some sort of , uh,
imagiination to sound converter.


 

offline bill_hicks from my city is amazing it is calle on 2004-01-08 09:10 [#01023277]
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stay off the drugs.


 

offline Chri5py from my Solarbear (United Kingdom) on 2004-01-08 09:11 [#01023278]
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That sounds great! I want some!!!

What sort of state were you in before this happened? normal
or abnormally tired due to a late night before?


 

offline epohs from )C: on 2004-01-08 09:15 [#01023284]
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i had a dream where smells were the most vivid part. kinda
wierd dreaming about smell.


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-01-08 09:17 [#01023289]
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I was just sort of care free and normal. I wasn't tired. God
damn, my reckolection of this is starting to piss me off. I
can't remember if it was yesterday or a few days ago... I'm
almost positive I was awake... hell, maybe i just dreamed
that I did this? WTF... no, I'm pretty sure it happened..
damn memory.


 

offline Chri5py from my Solarbear (United Kingdom) on 2004-01-08 09:18 [#01023293]
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are you dreaming now?

I'm I in it?

I should be at work!!! Fuck!!


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-01-08 09:18 [#01023294]
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are you serious? Was it drug related or something?


 

offline JAroen from the pineal gland on 2004-01-08 09:20 [#01023296]
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no, if this is the more serious side of wmw im talking to, i
hear sounds sometimes too

especially when im almost asleep.. its mostly tunes i played
that day, or anything stuck in my mind. Its really clear and
there, but when i try to focus too hard on it its gone

the part when you're almost asleep is the best thing :)


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-01-08 09:34 [#01023307]
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Yeah, I am being serious :)

When you interpret visuals as sound, there's an immediate
fallacy in that you see stuff, say move from left to
right... well the only way to really interpret that with
sound is with panning (or you can interpret left being low
pitch and right being high pitch or something, but then it's
just as unimaginative as a graph).

I remember the sound had melody, but it wasn't a strict
seperation of melody and percussion or something, it was
just all unified sound probably the closest thing to it in
structure was otto von schirach... but it kept changing to
new patterns and sounds, all effortlessly too.


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-01-08 09:35 [#01023310]
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It was really rapid and complex. I can't remember if it had
a unified tempo like normal music, but I'm pretty sure it
pretty much did.


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-01-08 09:37 [#01023311]
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Yeah, I am being serious :)

REALITY FAILURE


 

offline epohs from )C: on 2004-01-08 10:00 [#01023348]
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nah, no drugs involved. just a vivid dream.

it happend last week i think.


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-01-08 10:03 [#01023354]
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possitively fascinating!


 

offline rockenjohnny from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2004-01-08 10:14 [#01023359]
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ive been doing that since i was a lad

people used to think i was mildy autistic cause id make
audible noises to punctuate what was in my head

true story.


 

offline rockenjohnny from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2004-01-08 10:15 [#01023360]
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that was for you to say bill :) welcome back!


 

offline rockenjohnny from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2004-01-08 10:22 [#01023371]
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but as for making music, that comes from the interface ..
instantaneous music fades


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-01-08 10:42 [#01023389]
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Yes, just as I'm falling asleep I catch snatches of
converastions, bits of melody and just weird synth type
sounds. The best way I can describe it is a radio cycling
through international stations every few seconds with the
volume down very low.


 

offline plaidzebra from so long, xlt on 2004-01-08 11:23 [#01023493]
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interesting, as i fall asleep i also drift through one or
more conversations between people i don't know, in english
and usually completely banal. eg,
"yeah, we went yesterday." "it's nice, isn't it?"
"mmm hmmm....." etc.

usually no music though.

i do hold the unconventional view that what we experience as
humans is not reality at all, more like a coherent, stable
dream derived from a series of agreements about
organization, shared perception, fundamental assumptions and
so on.

i think what wmw experienced was reality leaking into his
experience as a self-transforming autocreation soundform.
priceless.


 

offline deepspace9mm from filth on 2004-01-08 12:21 [#01023574]
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Mmm, closest i've had to this is on salvia... looking at
certain objects in the dark gave them their own little tune
in my mind... very primitive monophonic doodles, almost like
stylophone melodies.


 

offline rockenjohnny from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2004-01-08 12:55 [#01023595]
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that sounds mindbending


 

offline deepspace9mm from filth on 2004-01-08 13:05 [#01023603]
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Hehe, it was. It was kinda scary though in places though,
the lightshade's tune was really dark and dirge-like. Gave
me the willies.


 

offline uviol from United States on 2004-01-08 13:42 [#01023686]
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Yes, there have been a couple of instances when I have been
lying down, somewhat sleepy, and I hear crisp, clear,
wonderful IDMish music just flowing through my head ..
completely impossible to recreate, and completely
involuntary. It's rare though. This has also happened with
more pop-ish, melodic type music.. I'll just think about it
and a wonderful, catchy pop song comes to mind immediately.
Of course there were separate times when I have had a dream
of a song and was able to recreate some of it on the
computer, or at least use it as the basis of a new track.
Usually it doesn't turn out that well, and never as good as
in the original dream.


 

offline horsefactory from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2004-01-08 14:57 [#01023842]
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w M w this has happened to me also, almost exactly the same.
I was falling asleep and this music started to play in my
brain. It was like a dream, but only the sound part was
active in the dream; the rest of my brain was awake as
normal. The music was the best shit I have ever heard, and
yeah, I could actually hear it as though it was being poured
down my ear holes.
I have always wished for a way to record your brain,
normally for recording dreams, but to record these songs
would be incredible. It's cool to see that a few other
people have had this.
I guess an offshoot of this is when I sometimes hear random
noises when I am falling asleep.


 

offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2004-01-08 15:23 [#01023872]
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I ALWAYS hear awesome tracks in my dreams, then I wake up
excited but I always forget the tune after ten minutes of
being awake. In one dream, I heard a Pink Floyd song called
''Another Cog'' or something, it was a weird blend of the
WYWH/Wall eras and it kicked the shit out of anything Waters
and Gilmore ever composed... albeit a bit derivative, even
in the title.


 

offline Key_Secret from Sverige (Sweden) on 2004-01-08 15:32 [#01023894]
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when I hear things in dreams I usually just remember the
feeling I had when hearing it, never the track, when I wake
up.

I can imagine sounds and add effects to them in my head,
aswell as making up melodies or things.

But of course I cannot come up with brand new "sounds"
(sounds I've never heard before outside my head).

If one is going to make a sound one has to start by
selecting some frequencies (of course these can be changed
later).
Anyway I know too little about that, but when I'm
experienced in making my own (synth)sounds from scratch I
think I will be able to make them up in my head.

the only way I can make "new sounds" is to mix (already
known/previously heard) sounds together.

Since playing with my Yamaha SY77, if I play a melody on any
instrument/synthsound (that has distinguishable notes) I can
change instrument/synthsound in my head and listen to it
with another instrument/synthsound.


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-01-08 15:34 [#01023899]
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I can't freakin remember if I was dreaming or awake when
this happened... at the time that didn't matter at all and I
sort of reacted as if it was somewhat normal... it never
happened before but I wasn't really like "whoa, this is
awesome" until a day or so afterwards. Now I at least know
the type of music I'd definately like to create. But
doing that would be very very hard, even...

well, I definately used to do this with mental visualization
when drawing... the catch is that you cannot just suddenly
convert what is in your imagination to paper that
quickly.... so the "technique" I used was to just imagine a
little at a time, and then fuse that little bit to the
drawing that was already there (which was made up of many
other little imagined bits)...
So anyway, if I could somehow control imagining sound...
then I could do the same, just a little bit at a time,
augmenting what's already build untill it's completed.
(those drawings at my site I used that imagination technique
on www.iuma.com/wmw at the bottom)


 


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