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ok so i want to be able to record sounds to use in music production from a greater range than the 10 feat or so radius around my PC that i am currently limited to like recording sounds outdoors and around the city, etc tell me about portable samplers please..... ADATS or whatever other options are out there anyone have one? what about minidiscs? some of the player/recorders have microphone inputs... how is the sound quality on those? what do you use for portable sampling? etc you get the idea.... just RESPOND for once..... im... lonely..... |
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i can't help you since i know nothing about it, but i like you, and i'm also curious about the same thing. and i too am lonely. so yeah. bump :) |
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im using the archos jukebox recorder 20 for this type of thing. records directly to mp3 format.. 20gb capacity. i love it as if i gave birth to it. |
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Me love minidisc. |
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i have a really long mic cable, so i can go around my room, and adjacent rooms. wouldnt mind a minidic recorder however |
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i've wondered the same thing. i've been thinking about picking up a minidisc recorder for just this reason. it appears that the current lineup would require a microphone with a preamp built in, since the recorders don't have a true 'mic' input, just a line level input. radio shack used to have a really good one of these for $30 that used a watch battery, but not sure if they do anymore. |
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Most Minidisc units have both a line in and a mic in. Only the cheap NetMD ones seem to be missing the mic input off. |
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what I heard from a friend, MD aren't very good quality for recording. no. |
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buuuump..... anyone else? pomme de terre, whats the sound quality like? compared to minidisc, dat, tape etc if you know... |
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well then he's talking rubbish |
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buy a small decent mic for your md, i've got a batteryless sony one and the sound quality is amazing mine was £50 (~$75) |
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well, md is not very good quality indeed but it's okay. (better then mp3...) if you want better quality there's always the portable dat recorder. ($$$$$$$$$$$$$$$) |
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see new minidisk format thread |
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well its good enough for what these people need and 50% of the sound quality depends on how its been mic'ed, which mic and how its been recorded (and whether its stereo, mono, lp2 or lp4) |
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http://www.barnofhell.com/aleuchatistas.htm heres a live show i recorded with mine. |
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which won't result in a better quality though... just more storage |
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well, ofcourse... the mic is pretty important... two good ones are even more important :) |
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yeah but long play uses different levels of compression, hence why stereo sounds the best, size is just a consequence of the increased compression |
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(okay, i seem to forget the followup option here... the post above is a followup to B3n's last post, the other one a followup to hepburnenthorpe... sorry) |
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surely it depends on what you are recording and how you want it recorded? |
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but if you are sampling, im very pleased with my unit. it may not be auiophile quality, but it fits in my pocket plugs in via usb to transfer the audio file and could potentially record over 500 hours of audio. i may lose a little quality for sampling, but i can always just process the sound to clean it up and get it sounding right. |
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exactly, keiron hebden and scott herren both make much use of it on their albums (even vocals)....I think people take this sound quality stuff too seriously, some of the best records made were made with wank equipment |
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but not md and ipod are samplers. there are quite few portable samplers, old and with very low memory.....sad |
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yeah they are, just not dedicated... they are phrase samplers |
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but you can only shufle them making loops is impossible. |
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lets put it this way: sound designers/engineers in Hollywood have been using minidiscs more and more. DATs, while using higher quality, are much more of a pain in the ass. Because DATs are based on moving parts. Shit goes wrong. To get it fixed, it will cost you, and take time. Thats the main reason DATs are being slowly filtered out. In the end, the sound quality you get isnt going to be noticeable enough to justify a DAT (imo). but... if you REALLY want high quality recording... and are willing to pay, the hard disk recorder is the way to go. (Over $1000USD) |
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well technically, a sampler is a unit that allows for musical playback of recorded sound. Emphasis on the word "musical", As in, an instrument. MD, iPod, DAT, PMD670: they are technically just recorders. |
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my minidisc recorder is working oh so nicely. I can sample all sorts of goodies and put them in tracks and the quality is amazing. I have a sony mz-n1 or something liek that. I will never sell it. |
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yep I concede you're right, but as with most things I reckon its what you make of it and you can do a certain amount of editing of sounds didn't gescom make an md that could be put on shuffle to make new tracks? that's pretty smart as with the whole quality thing, I still think they are excellent.. |
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well i think im set on a mini-disc recorder.... free form used them for collecting the sounds on Audiotourism, plus the other artists mentioned in this thread.... so its good enough for me its just so much cheaper and more practical then the other options... so next step: what about mics? again.. what do you use? how much do you need to spend to get quality? what do you look for? etc and so on..... i want to use one to record my guitar amp, but i also want to record sounds outdoors... will i need ifferent mics for this? also... is there a size/performance trade off? i dont want to carry a foot-long foam thing on teh subway..... |
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DAT recorders aren't even made anymore, right? So there's Minidisc which can do 16/44 For flash card there's the Roland Edirol R-1 which does 24/44 both with 1/8" jacks (and I find it to be quite ugly). And there's the Marantz PMD660 16/44 that has XLR mic connectors. It says though that it will 'run for four hours on four AA cells'. WTF. Even the Edirol was only 2.5 hours recording time on the batteries (6 hour playback). I think I will be getting Minidisc as the options seem quite limited. Does anyone have any experience with the above mentioned flash recorders? |
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so many ex-addicts in this thread ! i even don't remember them =$ |
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someone tell me this... what would be better quality... recording to minidisc, and then recording that realtime into the PC as a wav, OR using my iriver to record direct to 320 bitrate mp3? i'm inclined to think the latter, but maybe some audiophile nutjob among you will flip out and i'd really like to see that, so have at it |
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Oh I guess Sony just announced last week but it's like $2000 and I want to stay under $500. |
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Record it realtime? Can't you just grab the .wav file off it? |
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not with my sony netMD... the fuckers have rules built in where you can't do anything easy like that at all. iriver is much more forgiving, i can upload the mp3 like any file, no proprietary software, no nonsense. minidiscs could have been great if people didn't get antsy about copyrights |
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Are all minidisc like that? |
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incredibly hypocritical to go and make that hard disc recorder... fuck sony are bastards. oh now its perfectly fine to make perfect wav concert bootlegs since mp3 players are socially accepted now and things are changed. well now minidiscs are as good as crap. oh well. maybe i'll buy that gescom someday so it has a purpose |
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i believe they are... at least that i've seen. but the netMD line was extra bad, or something. i never got that into the MD culture |
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That's what I heard too, and experienced first hand using a mate's MD and cheapo mic. Since then, I have "heard" that a decent minidisc, with a good mic gives more than acceptable results. Having acquired a good minidisc, I am just waiting for funds to get a decent mic(s) |
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A decent minidisc and a good mic can indeed provide pristine results. FIrst of tho, you have to record at highest quality. Secondly, the best microphone for portable recording would be a portable electret condenser. I use a sony ECM-MS907. With microphones, tho you might want to look at what frequency range you are planning on recording. If you are looking to record the lowest bass sounds, then you might want something with a lower frequency range than 100Hz (which is an acceptible standard for this kind of microphone), which is the low frequency range of the mic I just suggested. Otherwise, for anything else its perfect. Fits in your pocket. Sounds immaculate. Otherwise, there is this little bad boy that I have heard good things about, altho still haven't gotten around to ordering one to try out. on paper, its nearly the same thing as the other link, only is frequency range is lower, allowing you to capture the lowest of basses. although I would suggest an extention, because otherwise it will pick up all the sounds that the minidisc recorder makes while recording. |
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Thanks for your tips taxi, re: stopping the sounds of the MD operating being recorded, is there any use "unsulating" the minidisc player inside, say, a small carpet bag to help prevent that? |
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...by "unsulating", I do of course mean, "insulating". :) |
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hey, check this out. It just came out recently. could be a good answer |
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Oh coool. |
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