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hyakusen
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From my knonwledge about it ( coz i know that some of you would like to know this )
Samurai
All soldiers that were servants to shogun - even from the lowest part of society - were in the same class of warriors called buke , they were known as "people of war" - bushi or wasarau, or mononofu
After year 1869 they were classified as shizoku - "past army servants", but to all world they were known as Samurai.
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princo
from Shitty City (Geelong) (Australia) on 2003-12-24 05:08 [#01004004]
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*cuts own head off*
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hyakusen
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Samurai - "the one who serves" - is the short form of goshozamurai - which was the name of leaders of clans in ancient Japan, but with time all those who could wear sword were called samurai.
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hyakusen
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They were classified with different ranks, categories and such.
As it is told every samurai took swear on his masters life that he will serve well, until death. Swear was took at special ceremony - keppan - it was written with warriors blood on special paper.
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hyakusen
from 8=============> on 2003-12-24 05:10 [#01004008]
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Lashing was so strong that with the death of leader -daimyo - samurai, and sometimes even his family took their lives by seppuku ( ritual of killing - I will clear it later )
Every warrior was obligated to serve bujitsu- code of warriors.
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2003-12-24 05:12 [#01004009]
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bukkake?
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princo
from Shitty City (Geelong) (Australia) on 2003-12-24 05:13 [#01004011]
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Ricki Lake?
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hyakusen
from 8=============> on 2003-12-24 05:14 [#01004012]
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The way of the warrior
Fighting , using weapons, tactics - this was never main purpose of bujitsu. It is supposed to be treated as way to improve yourself. With this bujitsu is rather a system of morality, ethic, which goes beyond simple frames of world between peoples. This system is called budo.
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hyakusen
from 8=============> on 2003-12-24 05:15 [#01004014]
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Budo can be identified with motives of behaviors of warriors , but mainly it should be identified with ethic of armed leaders of Japan.
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hyakusen
from 8=============> on 2003-12-24 05:16 [#01004015]
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Rules Main rule - to obey to your master. Warrior should have faith in master when the times where good, and when the times were bad.
Quote from bushido (written code of warrior laws):
"warrior will never abandon his master, even when from 100 cavalry will left 10, and even when from these 10 only he will still alive. He will defend his master till the end, without paying attention on his own life"
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hyakusen
from 8=============> on 2003-12-24 05:19 [#01004018]
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Samurai should have modest life, he should not feel the pain. He should eradicate fear of death.
Way of the samurai is the way of death
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hyakusen
from 8=============> on 2003-12-24 05:19 [#01004019]
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now- questions please :
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danbrusca
from Derbyshire (United Kingdom) on 2003-12-24 05:21 [#01004022]
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I wouldn't call Samurai 'ancient'.
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hyakusen
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i just called them ancient warriors coz the timeas of real samurai went into past - its hard to find "real" samurai nowadays
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-12-24 10:43 [#01004335]
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Would Samurai support Ninjas or Pirates in battle? And do they play any music instruments?
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2003-12-24 10:47 [#01004339]
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tom cruise is a samurai!
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2003-12-24 10:47 [#01004340]
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interesting stuff hyakusen.
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2003-12-24 10:55 [#01004342]
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Who would win in a fight between Fat Sammo and Jackie Chan?
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hyakusen
from 8=============> on 2003-12-24 11:21 [#01004366]
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1.no ninjas were te\reated as lowest part of society - they worked in shadow and night - nobody could know their faces. to be ninja it mean - to be born in nija family. there was no other way to be ninja.
Samurai as a honorable warrior couldnt agree with someone who is hiding his face wothout honor
2. pirates - even Japanese had their own - mostly they were people under the law - like other pirates all over the world. in fact they were pretty dangerous coz they had nothing to loose :)
3. music - as many issues - was one of the part of education of samurai. Not pnly fighting was their ability - education was given very early - education means - literacy, mathematics, music...stuff like this.
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hyakusen
from 8=============> on 2003-12-24 11:22 [#01004367]
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many instruments - some forgoten nowadays, some still exist, some are changed
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hyakusen
from 8=============> on 2003-12-24 11:22 [#01004368]
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i heard it
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hyakusen
from 8=============> on 2003-12-24 11:26 [#01004372]
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jacki chan has great abilities - kung fu is very powerful, although most of his scene fights is created by choreographer ( jackie himself )
kung fu is strictly full contact - knees, fists. very quick, very agressive, very dangerous
sorry - i dont knoe fat sammo....
,,,maybe you mean sumo fighter - if so - sumo is other type of fight - you cant compare them- different philosophy behind, diferent rules, different people...etc etc.
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2003-12-24 11:26 [#01004373]
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japanese girls can be fucking hot
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hyakusen
from 8=============> on 2003-12-24 11:28 [#01004374]
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i didnt check but probably yes
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2003-12-24 11:31 [#01004379]
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you've never seen a japanese girl?
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hyakusen
from 8=============> on 2003-12-24 11:33 [#01004381]
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ive seen real geisha, and two samurais in kimono, also many girls - but i prefer western type of girls. but simple girls are pretty yes i agree
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-12-24 11:33 [#01004382]
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Japanese girls = eyecandy
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DJ Xammax
from not America on 2003-12-24 11:33 [#01004383]
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Can you imagine Tom Cruise and Russell Crowe in the same film? They'd need to resize the film just the fit them and their egos on all at once!
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hyakusen
from 8=============> on 2003-12-24 11:34 [#01004384]
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if you are interested in more :
Japan and samurai stuff
probably most complete web site - everything , names, years, events, battles, army, equipment....
enjoy
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hyakusen
from 8=============> on 2003-12-24 11:35 [#01004386]
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if you will not find specific issues and stil have questions - my e-mail is free to "abuse"
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2003-12-24 11:37 [#01004390]
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omg yeah!!!!
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hyakusen
from 8=============> on 2003-12-24 11:53 [#01004415]
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ok, now we have seppuku or hara-kiri ( as you like ):
This is a ritual of killing. It was treated as manifet of power and free will, and greatest courage. It was a priviledge (!)
At start it was pretty usual - with time this ceremony grow to big event , available only to highest class of society.
Sepuku was made with special blade. basicly the point is that source of oll vital power is in stomach. First cuting went from left to right. Then, if someone was strong enough( but it happened rarely )there was next one - from middle to up larynx.
because this kind of death was long and painful, there was allways another person - just after cutting stomach this person made decapitation. This ceremony was so terrifying that after some time it was prohibited, but it is well known even today - some japanes soldiers were killing themselfs in the face of loosing battle in second world war !!
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hyakusen
from 8=============> on 2003-12-24 11:59 [#01004424]
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best gallery i found - really good pictures of real samurai from past
just choose and look
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hyakusen
from 8=============> on 2003-12-24 12:01 [#01004426]
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and a little of history of samurai class and some Japanese names :
just to read
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2003-12-24 12:02 [#01004427]
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my mom is japanese.
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hyakusen
from 8=============> on 2003-12-24 12:05 [#01004430]
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and few haiku for those who like sounding of Japanese :
Kazu naranu mi-to-na omoiso tamamatsuri
Omokage-wa oba hitori naku tsuki-no tomo
Inazuma-o te-ni toru yami-no shisoku-ka-na
Kono michi-o yuku hito nashi-ni aki-no kure
Niyoppori-to aki-no sora naru fuji-no yama
Yanagi chiri shimizu kareishi tokorodokoro
Shiratsuyu-ya bara-no hari-ni hitotsuzutsu
Samazama-no koto omaidasu sakura-ka-na
Nan-no ki-no hana-to-wa shirazu nioi-ka-na
Sabishisa-ya hana-no atari-no asunaro
Furuniwa-ni uguisu nakinu hi-mo sugara
Harusame-ya hito sunde kemuri kabe-o muru
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-12-24 13:03 [#01004503]
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cool.
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Anus_Presley
on 2003-12-24 13:05 [#01004506]
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i knew all of this
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Quino Strider
from Buenaventura on 2003-12-24 13:15 [#01004519]
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What's the type of blade the Samurai used/uses? The Katana?
Interesting stuff here dude.
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Spikee Dragon
from Newcastle (United Kingdom) on 2003-12-24 13:40 [#01004533]
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ninja scroll = must see. fuck all this western crap, no depth.
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Spikee Dragon
from Newcastle (United Kingdom) on 2003-12-24 13:54 [#01004542]
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i love this topic, reading history of the samurei now. :> the quotes show you how they think, it's so perfect, lost arts.
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