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HedFire
on 2003-12-22 11:28 [#01001695]
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in a perfect world i would say no. santa is just a tool for companies to sell products and for parents to try and make their kids behave. not to mention lying to them. santa=satan
but on the flip side if you don't tell your kids you are alienating them from a cultural norm that might affect their social growth for the rest of their life...
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acrid milk hall
from United Kingdom on 2003-12-22 11:43 [#01001712]
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i'll explain the history of santa (the amalgamation of different culture's myths) & sort of leave it to them..
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recycle
from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2003-12-22 11:45 [#01001715]
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let the kids have thier fun, dont tell, when they get in 5th or 6th grade, the kiddies will talk amongst themselves
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-12-22 11:47 [#01001721]
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It depends on where we are... Giving your kids (material) gifts only one (or two, including b-day) time of the year is a good thing in my opinion (it's a good thing you don't do it more ofthen - I mean "giving for free").
But just like you, this is what I would do if society remains the same the day I have children...
but I'd rather see a whole other society... :)
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goDel
from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2003-12-22 11:51 [#01001730]
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yes, just play the game without lying to them. they'll find out for themselves when they're ready, i guess.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2003-12-22 11:52 [#01001734]
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Tell em Santa snorts "snow" in the north pole, and sexually interferes with his elven hostages whom he has construct all the toys.
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-12-22 11:53 [#01001735]
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Maybe if your arguement was based on reason and not populist nonsense I would be more willing to listen to you.
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-12-22 11:54 [#01001739]
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Santa and Michael Jackson have a lot in common.
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HedFire
on 2003-12-22 11:55 [#01001743]
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care to expand on that? i could have sworn i listed reasons...
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2003-12-22 11:56 [#01001745]
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I do wish people would stop mentioning how satan and santa are anagrams of one another... it's really been done to the death... just like god backwards is dog...woohoo
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uzim
on 2003-12-22 11:58 [#01001748]
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kids? i don't want to have kids.
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-12-22 11:58 [#01001749]
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Yes, you said Santa = Satan and that it is just a tool for selling products to kids, neither of which are really correct.
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-12-22 11:59 [#01001754]
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if santa = satan... then here are more anagrams:
bill gates = tell is bag xltronic = LN R toxic
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2003-12-22 12:00 [#01001755]
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shut up = pus hut ... woop de woop killawop
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-12-22 12:01 [#01001757]
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Key Secret = Key's Erect = Cock.
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-12-22 12:02 [#01001761]
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hehe... never thought about that...
let me do the same for you...
ecnadniarb = braindance
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2003-12-22 12:03 [#01001766]
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Key Secret = Secrete KY (the ass jelly)
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HedFire
on 2003-12-22 12:06 [#01001771]
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ok forget the santa=satan thing, christ. but you don't think santa is overrun by marketing? right..
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2003-12-22 12:07 [#01001773]
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Santa is overrun by little kids nagging him I imagine... the poor old sod... I'll be sure to leave him a glass of milk and a cookie on Christmas Eve.
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-12-22 12:09 [#01001778]
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Only if you allow your children to sit and watch hours and hours of TV. But there is nothing wrong with kids having at least on pure thing in their life to get the image of daddy fucking mommy's sister out of their head.
I don't see the harm and I think it is shitty of parents etc. who spoil childhood excitement and dreams because they themselves have become too cynical and bitter towards the world.
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HedFire
on 2003-12-22 12:16 [#01001787]
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pure things such as books, music, movies, family, playing outside?? dreaming is fine but i think modern santa borders on exploitation in the wrong hands. and if you're speaking out against cynical, bitter people, i suggest you speak inwards..
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-12-22 12:19 [#01001792]
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well perhaps there is a lot of expectations on this "Santa"-character, especially since he's not real.
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-12-22 12:21 [#01001796]
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how the fuck do you speak inwards...I just tried it and nearly choked on my tonsils.
It's sad that you consider "things such as books, music, movies, family, playing outside" as dreaming.
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HedFire
on 2003-12-22 12:24 [#01001802]
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omfg you are such an idiot. i don't consider those things dreaming i consider them pure, which is why i put those words "pure things such as..." before i listed them. the dreaming comment was in regards to your "who spoil childhood excitement and dreams" statement. do you even think before you post?
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hyakusen
from 8=============> on 2003-12-22 12:26 [#01001809]
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officer down, we got officer down, request for backup !!!!!!!!
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2003-12-22 12:37 [#01001827]
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WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT ABOUT SANTA NOT BEING REAL?
WHO THE FUCK?! OH MY GOD I'M GOING TO FUCKING CRY
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-12-22 12:41 [#01001838]
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I actually think it would be much cooler if Santa was this horror-character we made up, then the children would still behave good - or he would come and tear them to pieces and eat their brains (with a fork).
That would be the groove, I can imagine the excitement on the night before xmas where children have trouble sleeping cause they know he'll come to their home the next day.
Or Santa could be good / bad depending on how they've behaved. If they've behaved good they get presents, if they behave bad they get put in the sack, and later fed to bears.
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nobsmuggler
from silly mid-off on 2003-12-22 12:41 [#01001839]
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the easter bunny is fake as well
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-12-22 12:42 [#01001841]
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well you have to admit your phrasing of you post was a little subjective to the reader hence my obvious misunderstanding from your original meaning. However calling me an idiot is a bit out of order, especially from a prick who did santa = satan.
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-crazone
from smashing acid over and over on 2003-12-22 12:44 [#01001845]
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don't take kids is an option
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-12-22 12:46 [#01001848]
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I took five kids last week. But I put them back yesterday ;)
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promo
from United Kingdom on 2003-12-22 12:49 [#01001853]
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I think if I was honest with myself probably not but at such a young age they're so impressionable you may as well let them believe any old shit. Tough one, I truly don't know.
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Jarworski
from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2003-12-22 12:50 [#01001857]
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KIDS? FUCK OFF!
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-12-22 12:52 [#01001859]
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I bet your children cry when you yell that at them on xmas eve.
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2003-12-22 12:53 [#01001860]
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hahah yeah dude
on easter morning once i woke my mom up cause there wasnt any candy
and i was like "mom?" and she was like "nigel, there's no easter bunny"
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promo
from United Kingdom on 2003-12-22 12:54 [#01001862]
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Must have effected you eh?
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nobsmuggler
from silly mid-off on 2003-12-22 13:07 [#01001874]
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just turned 14
tough times
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WooferAttack
from Milano (Italy) on 2003-12-23 10:09 [#01003131]
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why Santa Claus doesn't exist? nah... what are you saying, Santa Claus, the easter bunny and Teletubbies exists for sure!
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nacmat
on 2003-12-23 10:26 [#01003150]
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they always discover the truth around 8-10 years old so its no big deal and they have a lot of nice illusion in christmas
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2003-12-23 11:51 [#01003243]
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all the crappy presents like rocks and dirt and coal i will tag with "from santa" then all the cool presents will say "from your loving father." that way i can effectively buy my kids affections.
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Refund
from Melbourne (Australia) on 2003-12-23 14:12 [#01003373]
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I'm gonna build my kids up to beleive santa and then let em in on the truth and see em come crashing down >:)
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steve
from chicago on 2003-12-23 22:20 [#01003788]
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I sure hope I never have kids. If I do and they ask me if Santa "is real," then I will tell them the truth, I do not know.
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2003-12-23 22:28 [#01003789]
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when i was young i totally heard some shit on the roof one night
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2003-12-24 01:10 [#01003848]
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santa is just a tool for companies to sell products
I would rephrase that. Santa was from like the 1200's or some shit. He's like a Germany legend. Not a corporate brand name. He is just being used. That's all.
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oxygenfad
from www.oxygenfad.com (Canada) on 2003-12-24 05:27 [#01004027]
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FUCK NO
I will tell my kids that COKE invented Santa, and thats why I am force feeding them coca cola classic products. I love that drink so much.
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japes
from Suriname on 2003-12-24 05:35 [#01004031]
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HedFire, you need to stop being a paranoid bitch and start enjoying stuff.
Personally I think Santa's fine. He's benign. The kiddies want to go to bed early and the parents get time to themselves. Everyone wins. You're not lying to your child, because Father Christmas acts as a metaphor and I never thought my parents were conspiring or evil because they let me believe. At the time I was excited and when I found out, I was disappointed, but happy.
So yeah... goood thing, good thing.
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2003-12-24 06:20 [#01004065]
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there's nothing wrong with letting kids have a bit of fun... it's more pressure on the parents I think, to provide the gifts and shit... but goodness, let kids enjoy Christmas, and believe in Santa...
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japes
from Suriname on 2003-12-26 05:45 [#01006088]
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This topic may be dead now, but the origins of Father Christmas is from generosity.
An old, rich man called Nicholas was passing a window and overheard a poor man tell his children that there would be no presents this year. Feeling sorry for the kiddilies, old Nicholas broke into their room while they were asleep and put some gold coins (real, not chocolate coins) into their socks which were hanging at the end of their beds.
Hence St. Nick.
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2003-12-26 05:48 [#01006091]
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I will never have kids, so the answer is NO
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teapot
from Paddington (Australia) on 2003-12-26 05:48 [#01006093]
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i definatly would NOT tell me kid that santa wasnt real... that shit is just selfish, a child doesnt understand, and its got its teen years to develope its own opinions about it.
christmas is an amazing thing for children, it shouldnt be fucked with.
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