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so what does everyone think about Jega having to take a day job because of alleged mp3 downloading? : 1) Dylan could probably have got this to you ages ago, but the volumes that artistic integrity sell, particularly when a significant portion of you go with soulseek rather than shelling out the dough, mean he has to take a day job. He is currently working on it more or less full time. The essence of what you like about Dylan is what takes him so long to get stuff to you - no compromise. how many other artists that you think are well known do you suppose have to work day jobs? Cabbog (R.I.P.!) once told me about how the cylobe (not cylob) folks work in a gay sex shop or something like that to make enough money just to get by. i know Matmos still work in a sound art museum but i think they do it for fun? i mean they have all that "bjork cash" now. i bet a lot of electronic artists don't make enough $ to live off of, but i think jega was a bit surprising even for me. |
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its why i think idm is not promoted enough! musicians like jega have to work and posers like robbie williams enjoy their millions. major record companies should cut some profit off of biggest stars and put some money into smaller labels! |
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Ray Keith one of the best known drum and bass DJ's/producers has always worked in Black Market records because he doesn't earn enough from records, and this was before the internet got big. And lets face it, without the internet he probably wouldn't have got the attention to sell even one record internationally. It's a two way thing. There are only a few of the really well known electronic artists who can liveon sales alone...the rest of them have to do the whole DJ/live thing to suppliment their income. |
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but isnt it interesting how some trance/techno/house dj's get like 3000 EUR for the gig, and electronica artists get like 500-1000...not to speak of robbie who probably get 500.000 for two hours |
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stuntrock has a day job, i'm not sure what he does though. he sits at a computer all day though and answers email all the time cause he's bored |
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i'm sure that alot of the artists on the smaller labels wouldnt sell as many records without p2p-sharing. personally i have found alot of artists and bought their albums thanks to p2p. |
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chevron waits tables |
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In general dance DJ's get shit loads of money for being good looking and having a huge ego nothing to do with music. I think it is wrong, but that's just the way it is. Anyway you are supposed to suffer for your art...that is why so many artists who "have made it" just start releasing shite. :D |
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paul oakenfold once got like $20K in one night for playing OTHER peoples records |
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another example, cex works in a record shop, but then again he's about 21 or 22 so he should be working in a record shop anyway, especially with the albums he's been releasing lately. really i'm asking about people that have to take day jobs just to pay the bills. dj'ing and playing live shows are largely "night jobs" but more importantly, they're a part of being an artist.. a lot of artists enjoy it, some like it even more than creating albums. so what other so-called "big names" work day jobs other than running a label or playing/dj'ing live? |
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"musicians like jega have to work and posers like robbie williams enjoy their millions." Yeah but that's just a matter of supply and demand (sp?). Alot more people are interested in what Robbie has to offer, than that there are people who are interested in Jega. I doubt this would change even if Jega was heavily promoted. Robbie just gives the masses what they want, so he makes a shitload of money. Good for him. If Jega really had to get a day job because of people downloading his music instead of buying it, then i think that's really sad. |
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I think max tundra temps... at least according to the lyrics on mastered by guy at the exchange. |
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well-said; i don't think jega should be outselling robbie williams, or le tigre outselling TATU, or paris outselling the black eyed peas.. there's obviously an audience for artistically watered down, SIMPLE music (with decent to great melodies and production even if the lyrics are vapid), it can't all be marketing (what a naive, ego-bloated excuse). |
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vSnares is helping to fund my revolution |
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well, it would make a big difference if electronica artists would be better promoted...electronic music (techno, house...included) in general is pretty popular and idm (and other non mainstream genres) isnt all that different, so i really cant see why people wouldnt start liking it. most of people that listened to some music i recommended obviously liked it, but they would probably never hear anything if they'd be waiting to get something in the stores or to hear it on mtv. i dont know how it is in the states, but europe in general doesnt give a fuck about idm. in uk there's a totally different story, music is quite well presented thus more popular - if it was at least that popular in other countries many idm musicians wouldnt have to work for a living. |
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Good for him? No! Robbie Williams must BURN. |
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Well I haven't actually ever heard anything by Jega :-p So I'm not sure if i can comment. But still... I highly doubt there would be such a huge market for it, or other idm-music. Ofcourse if it were heavily promoted it would sell more. But not that much more (i think). It's mostly just too weird or difficult. You can't really compare it to house or techno. From what i've heard on the radio techno-music usually has a very simple beat, and an even more simple and catchy melody to support it. "there's obviously an audience for artistically watered down, SIMPLE music" Well i'd agree that often the simple music becomes more popular, but i'm not sure i agree with the "artistically watered down" part. Writing a good popsong is probably just as much an art as writing a good idm-track. The fact that it seems simple shows it's genius. |
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lol, no. I actually think robbie is alright. He's alot more courageous, entertaining and funny that alot of other mtv-popstars. I think the swing-album in particular was quite a commercial risk, and i respect him for releasing it. Which was apparantly a lifelong dream of his. I even quite liked it. Alot of his other songs really aren't that bad either. Have you ever really listened to it? "Feel" is a classic. Seriously. In 20 years time that song will still be played on the radio. My brother has his latest album, and it really isn't so bad. "Me and my monkey" kicks ass :-p |
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a lot of what's popular is artistically watered down, i didn't mean to say that it's ALL that way. also, you can have a really catchy song that is barely artistic. art, not to delve into the dreaded "faggotry" here, is about creating something original and meaningful. you can write a terrific pop song (amazing melody, totally fun style) that is completely insincere and written just to make money or be popular. think about engineering vs. creating. are engineers artists? not necessarily. they may be able to technically craft something of extremely high calibre but if it doesn't resonate on an emotional level after the song (or movie, story, tv show......) is over then it's not very artistic. "IMO" |
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I getcha, you mean like Drukqs? |
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but just because it doesn't resonate on an emotional level for you doesn't mean it doesn't for the creator. I have a friend who makes dance music...shitty dance music, really basic four to the floor shit...but he loves it, he gets so excited over it. If I was a stranger listening to it I would think cheesy crap, but I know how much it means to him and you just have to appreciate it. For me being artistic is creating something out of emotion regardless of what the final product is. |
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I'd go with that...most of Drukqs feels a bit emotionally sterile compared to his other releases. It just seemed like he was going through the motions. |
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no comment :) --- braindance backwards, that is a good point but i think you know i wasn't talking about four to the floor techno. likewise, if you have artistic aspirations (and that doesn't mean something fey like i'm setting out to create the loveliest softest ambient music ever, it could be i want to make something that will shit out your intestines) but the finished product is a failure for yourself the artist as well as most listeners, i'm not saying that's artistically watered down. it may suck but at least the spirit was there. i'm obviously talking about music that is aimed at the charts and at wealthy demographics like the kid sister daddy gave $60 to spend at the mall. |
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yep I know what you mean...and this next comment isn't aimed at you...there just seems to be a lot of people on the board who try to discredit other peoples work purely because it doesn't do anything for them. The $60 daddys isn't going out to buy music anyway, she is trying to buy style or an image marketed to her through the so called "music industry"...music has just become a piggy back for marketing sex to kids and teens. |
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