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Jedi Chris
on 2003-12-13 08:58 [#00989454]
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I can't believe this story. I have followed this story for years.....it makes me very sad.
Keiko, who was about 26 years old, died Friday after suddenly contracting pneumonia in the Taknes fjord in Norway.
Caretaker Dane Richards told The Associated Press that the illness struck the 25-foot mammal fairly quickly as Keiko appeared lethargic and lost his appetite. "We checked his respiration rate and it was a little irregular ... he wasn't doing too well," Richards said. "Early in the evening, he passed away."
In the wild, orcas can live an average of 35 years. Keiko was believed born in 1977 or 1978 off Iceland. The drive to free Keiko, who was captured near Iceland in 1979 and sold to the marine park industry, began in 1993 after he was found ailing in a Mexico City aquarium. He was rehabilitated at the Oregon Coast Aquarium, then airlifted to Iceland in 1998. His handlers prepared him for the wild, teaching him to catch live fish in an operation that cost about $500,000 a month. That same amount paid for a year of care in Norway, according to the Free Willy Foundation in San Francisco. Keiko, which means "Lucky One" in Japanese, was released from Iceland in July 2002 with hopes that he would return to the wild. But he swam straight for Norway on a 870-mile trek that seemed to be a search for human companionship.
The 6 ton whale delighted Norwegians when he first turned up near the village of Halsa in late August or early September of 2002. He allowed fans to pet and play with him, even crawl on his back, becoming such an attraction that animal protection authorities imposed a ban on approaching him. But his choice of Norway, the only country that hunts whales for profit, was a shock to many fans, who feared that whalers would go after him. Orcas are protected in Norway, which only hunts minke whales, and authorities assured the world he was safe. Lars Olav Lilleboe, of the township of Halsa, said it was a sad day for the town of 1,750 people, a mix of rolling farmland and small mountains, so
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Jedi Chris
on 2003-12-13 08:59 [#00989455]
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........ some 250 miles northwest of the capital, Oslo.
"He is one of the biggest things to ever happen to Halsa," said Lilleboe. "There is no doubt that he has been a tourist attraction."
Nick Braden, a spokesman of the Humane Society of the United States, said veterinarians gave Keiko antibiotics after he showed signs of lethargy, but it wasn't apparent how sick he was. "They really do die quickly and there was nothing we could do," he said. Braden said "it's a really sad moment for us, but we do believe we gave him a chance to be in the wild." David Phillips, executive director of the San Francisco-based Free Willy-Keiko Foundation, said Keiko's plight changed public perception of whether a whale could be returned to the wild. "We took the hardest candidate and took him from near death in Mexico to swimming with wild whales in Norway," he said. "Keiko proved a lot of naysayers wrong and that this can work and that is a very powerful thing."
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2003-12-13 09:02 [#00989457]
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:(
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nacmat
on 2003-12-13 09:29 [#00989474]
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I just saw it on the news
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Jedi Chris
on 2003-12-13 09:29 [#00989475]
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Very sad indeed
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nacmat
on 2003-12-13 09:31 [#00989478]
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27 years for that species is much or not?
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danbrusca
from Derbyshire (United Kingdom) on 2003-12-13 09:34 [#00989481]
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The average age is 35.
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danbrusca
from Derbyshire (United Kingdom) on 2003-12-13 09:35 [#00989483]
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It's not sad though, it's just a whale.
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Jedi Chris
on 2003-12-13 09:40 [#00989487]
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35 - 40 I think is normal
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MachineofGod
from the land of halo's (United States) on 2003-12-13 21:21 [#00990234]
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any person who says "its just a (fill in any animal)" shows how ignorant\uncaring you are. if this was a human youd care. anyone who ever says anything like that has no value for any life.
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-12-13 21:24 [#00990237]
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What a fucking stupid waste of money.
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-12-13 21:31 [#00990243]
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The number of fucking homeless people in this country who will die of pneumonia this winter and you feel sad for a whale that had $500,000 a month spent on it.
Damn, that's some fucked up priorities.
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acrid milk hall
from United Kingdom on 2003-12-13 21:40 [#00990249]
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no disrespect to kaiko (r.i.p.) - but that whale was sick and lame after what happened to it in captivity. its a wonder he survived as long as he did.
focusing on the plight of one (virtually domesticated) whale just because it was used in a film detracts from the problems affecting hundreds of whales.
we should worry about them as a species, not just throw a lot of money at the rehabilitation of one.
countries like iceland are beginning to start whaling again.. allegedly for scientific purposes. we must get this thing in perspective. because of whaling pollution etc the global whale population has have far more serious problems than the demise of one orca.
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-12-13 21:45 [#00990250]
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Fuck whales, they are almost as bad as the country with a similar name. I reckon they should all be harpooned and then there wouldn't be any more moaning on about "Save the whales" What happens if whales become extinct? I will laugh that is what...laugh until I puke.
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disasemble
from United States on 2003-12-13 21:47 [#00990254]
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you cant feel sorry for everything. sure, sucks that he died. but how many animals die every day? or humans for that matter? just because this one is on the news i should, say, care more? so i guess if i dont care, that means i dont have value for life? sorry, but that sort of logic tips off my bullshit meter.
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disasemble
from United States on 2003-12-13 21:55 [#00990257]
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yeah why not! the planet is already going to shit, lets make it worse and faster!
hell, we can kill all the whales! when they are all dead there will be a massive squid explosion in the dark waters! yeah! they will slaughter everything else and die having wiped out deep sea life! yeah man! sounds good! GREAT PLAN! SIGN ME UP! I WANT TO GO HARPOONING WHALES BECAUSE ITS AWESOME!!!@$!
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acrid milk hall
from United Kingdom on 2003-12-13 22:00 [#00990258]
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its like the little kid in iraq who whad his limbs blown off. the press got hold of that story, a big fuss was made.. money was donated & he was flown out of iraq for operations..
what about all the other kids disfigured, maimed & crippled in the war that didnt get the benefit of press coverage..?
oh.. i guess it doesnt matter about them.. as we dont know the first thing about them. people only seem to care about things if their pushed in your face.
same principle with kaiko.
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-12-13 22:02 [#00990259]
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We will just kill the squid too stupid...who gives a fuck about the world lasting anyway. Stop worrying you little mini internet ecowarrior.
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acrid milk hall
from United Kingdom on 2003-12-13 22:05 [#00990262]
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i know some people who wouldnt mind if scousers died out..
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disasemble
from United States on 2003-12-13 22:06 [#00990263]
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hey now, im all for harpooning humans too. i mean, it obviously doesnt matter in the long run, now doesnt it? right?
who's with me!?!?!?!#?!!
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2003-12-13 22:14 [#00990264]
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I saw this fucking animal at the acquarium here in Oregon when I was small. He took a gigantic piss in his pool.
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addi b
from ReykjavÃk (Iceland) on 2003-12-13 22:22 [#00990266]
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Its was fucking hillarious when Keiko came here to Iceland in ´98. A big village was built around as the government thought he was going to attract a lot of tourism. That never happened and people here have been making fun of it ever since. The only reason Keiko was sent here to Iceland is because he was starting to jerk of in front of audiences in the aquarium he was in the US. So they made up a pretty story that the hero in "Free Willy" had to return to his natural birth place in the Atlantic Ocean. That was lie of course but he really did "free his Willy" I guess :)
I totally agree its a ridiculous money to be spending on just one animal. Nothing in the research they did on Keiko that made it worth dishing that much out. The whole thing is just plain stupidity......
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Neto
from Ecatepec (Mexico) on 2003-12-14 01:47 [#00990306]
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bob
from Nottingham (United Kingdom) on 2003-12-14 01:53 [#00990307]
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you're response makes you sound like a no brain spakker. i assume you are not one? why this respose? :/
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danbrusca
from Derbyshire (United Kingdom) on 2003-12-14 02:06 [#00990311]
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Who says I would care if it was a human? Let's be honest here, people are dying all the time and we don't really care. There's too much death and bad shit to be able to care about all of it.
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Jedi Chris
on 2003-12-14 02:56 [#00990321]
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I suppose the fact that this posting is about the worlds most famous killer whale is of no consequence really, it might have been about practically anything or anyone else who was famous, a president, a film star.....there would be the usual comments from some people here that would be in bad taste.
I thought the story was sad enough to post here, and I guess thats all that matters.
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nlogax
from oh, you must be the brains (Norway) on 2003-12-14 04:22 [#00990388]
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keiko was gay (or bi, if that's even impossible to certain members)
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-12-14 05:11 [#00990453]
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I'm not quite sure what a spakker is but I probably am one. I don't care about the whales, I don't care about the squid, I don't care about humans...all should be fair game.
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acrid milk hall
from United Kingdom on 2003-12-14 05:20 [#00990461]
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addi : i love that story.
jedi chris : death IS a sad thing, full stop. personally i wasn't trying to be funny. i was just making a comment about keeping in perspective. that keiko's fame from being in a film made his situation seem more important to a lot of people than that of other mistreated whales.
ecnadniarb : a 'spakker' is slang for a spastic.. i don't think that bob meant it literally. i think it was a metaphor for your conduct. quite harsh on genuine downs syndrome-ers..
bob: where do you go out in notts? moog? social? bomb? rescue rooms (did you see squarepusher & surgeon there in summer) ?
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acrid milk hall
from United Kingdom on 2003-12-14 05:21 [#00990462]
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*nb. jedi chris : unfortunately, death is also a fact of life though, obviously..
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-12-14 05:23 [#00990465]
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well I have been known to have muscle spasms and dribble all over myself when I am monged out.
Also I would just like to point out that spastic was actually a slang term for Cerebal Palsy not Down Syndrome.
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Jedi Chris
on 2003-12-14 05:26 [#00990473]
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I'm very aware that death is a real fact of life, having lost both my parents early in my life. So I don't need no lecture on the matter.
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Jedi Chris
on 2003-12-14 05:27 [#00990474]
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In fact, what I've seen I hope none of you have to ever experience.
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acrid milk hall
from United Kingdom on 2003-12-14 05:29 [#00990478]
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good point what was i thinking getting my 'conditions' confused.. sorry havent woken up yet..
no offence intended.
i did smile at the spasms & dribbling reference - i know its wrong, but ive made my peace with it. besides, having worked with groups of cerebal palsy & downs kids a few years ago - i learnt they make much more sinister jokes about one another than ive ever heard by any able bodied person.
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acrid milk hall
from United Kingdom on 2003-12-14 05:31 [#00990480]
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how did we get from orcas to this?
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-12-14 05:33 [#00990481]
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heh my aunt has cerebal palsy. If you grow up around it you realise that the stigmatism is fuelled by the politically correct lobby, not the condition.
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acrid milk hall
from United Kingdom on 2003-12-14 05:34 [#00990482]
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precisely.
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2003-12-14 09:19 [#00990700]
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I wonder how Jason James Richter is taking the news!
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acrid milk hall
from United Kingdom on 2003-12-14 09:23 [#00990704]
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hahahahahahaha :D
im not 100% sure, but i presume thats the kid who starred in the films, right? (if so, my laughter was justified)
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2003-12-14 09:28 [#00990707]
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yes it is! ;)
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