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So the bling bling rap bands are thinning out because of mp3s. With low CD sales what else do they really have to offer other then IMAGE. How will their labels make any money off them now? There isn't really that much rap merch out there right? Well not nearly as much as this punk/Indy/grunge trend. So if you ain't in anyway associated with Eminem chances are your career isn't going to be as multi million dollar as it would have been in say 1997-2001. So now the 6 labels that own music (Virgin,Mercury,BMG,Sony,Universal,Warner) make PUNK cool.On their agendas are make being a rock star and also going to see rock shows cool. Now these emo/Indy rock bands are cheaper and easy to make (more so then a bling bling rapper image), and for the most part they are very low maintenance and there is much more merch they can be sold (shirts, wallets, boards etc). The IDM part of the story is coming don't worry. Now most of these bands are underpaid and have to tour hardcore circus style for there own money. Being in a shitty punk band myself, we tend to open for bands when they come to town (D.O.A, Alex is on fire,Wesley Willis, etc). To survive the boredom of sound check we all usually talk to each other. For the most part they hardly make a cut of anything. The labels get a big % of it all most of the money made at that venue (Merch sales). Like anyone else, they are just happy they they don't have to work real jobs. As long as the label pays the bands enough they are happy, but the label gets far more then the bands. So what I'm getting at is if the way these labels operate (Faster,Cheaper,Easier, low maintenance) don't you think maybe in 4-6 years now IDM/Industrial will be the new flavor of the month? Think about it. Most of the people that have the gear know their craft well. They can master and produce everything themselves (Most in their bedrooms). More people have access to head phones and drum machines/software then they do a place to a place to jam (drum |
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(drum kit/loud amps arnt really a neighbor's best friend) Most IDM is made by one or 2 people, so they would get a big chunk of what has to be split up 3-5 ways with a "rock" band. Think of how easy it is to play IDM at bars/clubs. You line your laptop into the PA. Also no huge tour busses needed. What I think is going to happen is this. Right now pop culture is: A:Cool to be a freak B:Cool to dance and be a slut at clubs C:Cool to be an introverted Indy kid IDM has freakish qualities, IDM can be dancable, and IDM has that classy eleet "I'm smart and modest" aspect to it. IDM is cheap to make,easy to tour with, and can be merched up. Everyone will be able to enjoy it for one reason or another. IDM also has no age or gender associated with it. |
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I just have been thinking about this a lot lately and needed to get it out. It sounds nuts I know, but it makes a lot of sense. |
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No it will just means there will be a lot more wanky dance music. |
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I don't want a new enema :( |
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all i can say is that i look forward to the day when young people stop defining themselves by their tastes in music and seeing "converts" from other genres as enemies or "unwelcome." it's just recreation, not life, and the elitism and arrogance has got to stop. yep you heard that coming from titsworth, detractors. cos it's totally true. |
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i dunno, it's a long shot..... most IDM is not that catchy... |
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Less than 4-6 years. Why does it matter ? |
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well put! :D |
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Maybe it doesn't affect you people to much, but if you ever had to live with North Americans you would see why I'm such a huge trend hater. It's all fake crap thats only purpose is to make money. |
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"it's just recreation, not life" what ? i say..: what ?! |
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it won't happen because A0 the vast majority of IDM is NOT danceable... and that which is, will still confuse dimwitted fuckheads who cannot comprehend anything beyond a two-step or 4/4 beat... furthermore... idm is the experimental fringe of electronic music, in 4-6 years if the clubs are bangin' glitch techno (which will never fucking happen because the personalities are not marketable at all, and that is something which can be done with both punks, and rappers) then idmers will not be making glitch techno... they will be making something infinitely more fucked-up-sounding... |
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So what, can't you distinguish good music from crap ? |
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"So what, can't you distinguish good music from crap ?" Basically, the majority need to be told everything. Not all, but most. |
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Drastic changes in music pop culture happen all the time. Who saw Marilyn Manson coming? Who saw Nirvana Coming? Jay-z and the whole "bling bling" thing? If 4-6 years ago you would have said "Yo Will did you know that in 4-6 years they are gonna sell Motorhead T-shirts at the Gap and play Black flag in the store?" I would said "HAHAHA!!! Yeah right buddy!" You don't have to agree with me, I'm just saying. Maybe in 4-6 you will all look back at this and say "Damn he was right!" But for right now, once again, I'm an idiot for not thinking the same way as you kids ... |
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I'm not saying you're wrong, I just wouldn't give a fuck if "IDM" became mainstream. |
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and what i'm saying is that idm is a relative term: what we call idm now doesn't sound like it did years ago... it's like saying avant-garde will become mainstream... it's an impossibility |
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i would only be enemies with IDM if IDM became enemies with me. this isn't a love-hate relationship, its rather pleasant, the best niche in music that i've ever had the pleasure of falling into. |
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methinks this is a case of too much thought being applied to an abstract, indefinable subject.. |
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of course. really, who cares? |
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my thoughts exactly... probably the most profound thing i've heard on this board why do need to define themselves by what music they listen... i just enjoy what i listen to listen to good shit in variety of genres |
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it's not like good music will come to an end the moment something idm-esque shows up on the t-shirt of some pubescent teeny bopper... i will always be able to take refuge in music that most people would consider noise... (and not just noise noise... you know what i mean... i hope) |
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i've had a t-shirt with the aphex twin logo on it and one with the plaid "tv" thing on it for 3 years. in those 3 years only one person has EVER recognized either of those shirts. you know how the expression goes, "don't count your chickens before you burn the bridge you're crossing when you get to it" or something. |
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don't count your chickens until you are certain that the mass and radius of the planetismal are such that your planet will retain heavier atmospheric gases such as nitrogen and oxygen... |
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yeah THAT was is. man grandma was quite the ecologist. |
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maybe it will happen, maybe it won't. i'd guess won't. or maybe, will. |
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Who saw Marilyn Manson coming? Who saw Nirvana Coming? Jay-z and the whole "bling bling" thing? you know, any music smart alec could answer those questions pretty easily, they weren't drastic changes at all.. honestly the seeds have been planted long ago for IDM to catch on with indie rock other crowds. in fact "they" have been listening to "our" music for years. it shouldn't make a difference to you.. i don't want to get any more into this than i already have because i've said this all before (probably several times over) and i'm pressed for time right now anyway. i really hope it doesn't bother you like you're making it seem like it does. |
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Yes, IDM will be the new flavor of the month. Which is fine with me because after IDM gets old, where does it go from there? Are there any new genres being created? I dont think there is, so after IDM has been used up like a cheap whore, i think music will branch out into anything and everything. It will then depend on what the individual likes. |
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you think too much about unimportant things. |
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" IDM also has no age or gender associated with it. " well then where are all the bitches at? |
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i'd like to again see a resurgence of death-swing-glitch-metal |
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why the party hat if you are depressed? |
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CHRISTMAS SP1R1T!!! |
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i dont think idm will become mainstream...simply because most of the idm producers dont give a fuck about popularity, infact they're trying to keep it quiet...its hard to hear any idm or buy and idm records in most parts of the europe. i often talk to people that are into electronic music, well techno, house and all that crap but they also know some more abstract things...tho i have only met few that knew about aphex ( well at least knew one of his tunes - tho they didnt even know afx was just one guy, they oftern think its a band or two people). its totally different in uk i think, they get way more promoted there and idm is quite popular there. if some big record labels are going to take over idm they could probably make it mainstream, but i dont think any of the big names (like afx, ae, boc, pusher...) would want to be a part of that, otherwise they'd be doing it already. |
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well, there are always more girls at idm parties i visit, or at least about the same as guys...which is actually quite interesting when i think about it, oo, and nice girls! |
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Tits worth you being from seatle you should know that Nirvana became big over night. Within one week Skid row and poison freaks converted over to GRUNGE. Anyway whatever, I'm just saying that I wouldnt be surprised if multi million dollar corps scoop up IDM and whore it out for all its worth. I'm not shouting "Ah fuck ! FUCK MAN WE ARE DOOMED!" I was just thinking about this, I'm sorry I brought it up. Have fun listening to BT come 2007 : ) |
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I'm sorry if I offended anyone with this, like I said this all was just a thought I had and wanted to share with you. I'm gonna bring you all to disney land alright? My treat : ) |
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not trying to egg you on or anything... but i got the impression that you were the most offended... so if you're not.. and no one else is... then hip hip hooray (doin' things for the kidz in the community like slingblade...) |
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i'm not from seattle!!!!!! anyway, i know sometimes bands seem to pop up out of nowhere, but musically there're always antecedents. i mean for nirvana, look at the pixies, neil young (yep!), big black, jesus and mary chain, sonic youth, swans, and a whole lot of other "noise pop" from the 80s.. translating to your IDM example, when BT made glitchy techno for n'sync ("pop") it was HUGE. plenty of other teen pop artists have been IDM'd up, too (i've talked about it on here before, not going to rehash), and then there's the steady stream of rock artists and hip-hop producers saying some of their favorite artists are "our" favorite artists, and with some of these guys you can totally hear the influence. so if IDM-proper would catch on it wouldn't be out of nowhere, but i'd be shocked if any instrumental music became the new "hot" style of music asides from dance techno meant for clubs (remember the early 90s) and popular film soundtracks (gladiator, lord of the rings, fight club..). |
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and in the end, who cares? it will still be possible to distinguish between good and bad music. |
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"I was just thinking about this, I'm sorry I brought it up." Leave me the fuck alone. The thread died 1 week ago. |
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agreed.. but for people who don't understand that i'm trying to help (this is bigger than you, will, even though you started the thread) |
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idm is almost as dead as...............xlt ? |
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flat line_________________________________WWWWWWW *its alive again the CPR worked |
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Dammn you obara! I knew something wasn't quite right when I seen a titsworth post! |
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:D see, 4 years passed, people have same doubts and fears about this "genre" |
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Did I predict Skrillex 8 years ago ? |
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Skrillex is mooore the product of bro step meets josh wink meets marilynn manson meets a bad justice impersonation, |
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you mean people making music on their own in the bedrooms, not necessarily 'IDM' though please? the internet and mobile phones and the law pressurizes a lot of people to stay in their the safest little box they can get, only meet virtually (if at all), and dont break the rules, & shut up, to the point that you can't make a party with music, smoking etc. john carpenter they live springs to mind, tastey film. luckily, one can still avoid the whole scenario with effort and imagination. |
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"The IDM part of the story is coming don't worry. " loved that part. |
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