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that's true, actually. |
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I never liked this war personally, but really, i'm starting not to care. if everyone begins to rely on our army, that's fine by me. that's what we get for spending so damn much on self-defense. |
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My point is that all this 'owing' bullshit is extremely childish. |
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I'd say we becam Americans when we decided to throw out protocol and formailty in warfare and start hiding behind rocks and trees. |
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The only reason the war occurred was because all the taxes hadn't stopped. Almost everything that the colonists were taxed for had been stopped except for tea and that was only a matter of time too. So really were it not for that there probably wouldn't have been any War at all. |
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TonyFish, Its not really a question of oweing. Its a question of trust and past relationships and the fact is you just can't piss in someone's face when they've been good to you and really thats what France did post WW2 with England and America. |
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what rot. Anyway I'm not going recieve any history lessons from someone with your totally biased and blind opinions on such things (see previous promo-bullshit about colonisation). |
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Why is it rot? Thats how relationships are built through past alliances and good experiences. Britain has its enemies and it has its friends. The fact is some countries you just can't please no matter what. I feel the important thing is Britain always tries to do the right thing. I feel our partners are the right ones but sometimes bad partners and relationships have been formed a prime example of this is the Saudi/American relationship but I'm glad that this is coming to an end because it makes my gut churn. |
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The french did help the Americans in the revolution, but blood is thicker than water. Gimmie a hug promo. |
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don't talk about the Americans and WWII... they only entered that because Pearl Harbour was bombed... if it wasn't bombed, they probably would never have entered, well until Hitler took over all of Europe and then finally decided to move across the ocean... |
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Geoff Hoon lives down the road from me. |
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The privatisation of war |
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/military/story/0,11816,1103649,00 Shit! .html |
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Yup... once the uk was conquered, they probably would of made a truce with the USA, waited a couple of years and then tried invading there. Jonesy: On the subject of privitisation of warfare, you'd be suprised how long that's been happening... even the UN has used mercenaries. Mercenaries are good because- people don't car so much if they get killed, they aren't neccessarily from your country, the experienced ones are really good soldiers, if you want to do anything covert but don't want to risk you special forces, you can send a load of mercenaries and even they won't know which country hired them if you do it properly. |
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But as the article says, they can kill at will and most likely get away with it. |
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yeah,they probably wouldnt have invaded, but the point was...they DID. and in the defense of the US, you really expect us to play fair against the Brit armies when they outnumbered ours almost 4 to 1? Not considering you had economic support, and superior weaponry. Playing by the rules in war is a stupid thing to do if you ask me. |
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anyway,this is a silly argument. if teh uk has a problem, protest, because by all means, it should work in your country. |
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I think at a push Britain probably could have won the war in Europe without America. We had already made decisive victories in North Africa. However America certainly made a huge impact and my personal alliance will always be with America whatever its real or supposed faults. |
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"We live in civilised times. It takes a lot for a Western country to go to war." pardon the expression, but: "LMFAO!" |
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lets face it, any country where the people can BE ignorant as we are without it spiraling into anarchy has to be doing something right. |
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I certainly don't want to attack the States. I think America can be histeric at times but I believe Bush was 100% right on Iraq. I have no doubts about it, in my mind Sadman Insane couldn't go on. The war was over pretty quickly, casualties were small but could have been a lot smaller. However as wars goes it was handled in an extremely PC way. Post War the whole thing has been handled extremely amateurishly and badly. |
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This war has given me mixed feelings. I think it's very optimistic, but I just don't know. I don't see things working out. I think my country does meddle a little too much, but, then again, I do support Israel. So, I'm torn. |
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I don't think there's a black and white answer to whether or not the war in Iraq was justified. On the one hand the claim that Iraq had WMD has now been shown to be bullshit, on the other it was a good thing to depose Saddam Hussein and only some kind of armed conflict had a realistic chance of achieving that. I think Blair went along with the war because when it comes to things like this the UK always supports the USA. From there Blair set about justifying it to himself, both as the right thing to do from a moral point of view and from a political one in believing that if the USA was going to war anyway, he may as well put the UK in a place to intercede between it and the rest of the world. I'm not altogether sure of what Bush's motivations were, but to simply say he was after oil is overly simplistic. I think the issues were more complex. I think both Bush and Blair both believed that they would find WMD in Iraq, even if they didn't have the evidence for it, but I don't think WMD were ever the real reason for the war, more a kind of reverse justification to sell the public. |
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WMD was always the wrong argument. I was always clear that it was the moral case. I wasn't interested in WMD and still aren't. Blair fucked up over WMD, he was pussy and should have from the start pushed the moral case. It came little to late. |
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Promo, why aren't you in the running to be elected. Instead of argueing student politics here, make a stand. I'm available if you can sort things out. |
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re. 'friendly fire' or 'blue on blue' (i love that one) it isn't exactly confidence inspiring that US pilots involved in the friendly fire incidents of the gulf war tested positive for amphetamine. the american forces use it so that they can fly longer missions. no wonder they bombed anything that moved. |
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war is primitive |
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you wouldn't fight for anything? |
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no i would rather die, its going to happen anyway, and id rather die without fighting than fighting |
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Pussy...you need to fight...you fight for everything you have to...there are so many things you have to be willing to fight for. |
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Do you think the world is getting worse? Are you going to do anything about it? if your answers are yes and no then give up ny all means. Why are you living in these times? tell me one positive thing that you are going to use your life for, otherwise shut up and exist for a few more years without trace. |
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Bloody hell! I'm tooooo harsh... |
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yes you are im crying in the corner |
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My fingers smell of garlic right now. I chopped some to go with my dinner. |
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maybe you are... I'm stopping now. |
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Fucking hell...you will be buying a bolt action rifle and getting a job in a book depository next. :P |
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I don't even know what I was talking about!? |
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I sort of guessed that from the "Why are you living in these times?" statement...I don't think he had much choice in the matter. :D! |
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Ho ho!!! I'm sleepy now. I just checked one of your songs from a link on here. I really enjoyed it! why are you living in these times you daft timelord/ or something else... |
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haha nice one for listening :P Now the board is playing up I reckon it is pretty much about time for me to retire for the evening...right after I eat food. |
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"WMD was always the wrong argument. I was always clear that it was the moral case. I wasn't interested in WMD and still aren't. Blair fucked up over WMD, he was pussy and should have from the start pushed the moral case. It came little to late. " Is your set of blinkers for sale? Cos' I have a horse and it needs a good pair. |
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