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is it possible that you reading this message, is just a portion of dream, a reality being generated in the slumber of, say.. a mosquito? do mosquitos dream? if so, would there really be any difference for them between the impulses generated in their "mind" from them experiencing "real life", or from those generated as they are experiencing a fictional nightmare? does something as basic as a mosquito even experience feeling, and/or are they just basically a system of instincts, an extension of nature, fulfilling some type of need, even if they aren't mentally aware of they are doing, such as a plants...? could there exist some kind of life form, so endlessly more advanced than us, that their only actual existence would consist of pure thought, made of their own focused energy,.. not just a feeble representation of "physical reality"? .. would they ask some of these same questions when "observing" human beings? ..that we would appear to be mindlessly-instinctive (or sometimes forced to be mindlessly counter-instinctive) drones/insects to them? please discuss. |
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If I am part of a mosquitos dream, there's nothing I can do about it, and I'll instinctivly try and attack any advanced lifeform if they insult me like that. Show 'em a bit of Swindon culture! |
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try not to think about it too much. if you do, you'll end up in a mental institution. and does it really matter? |
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we perceive our visual reality thanks to the wavelengths of our homestar, but according to other animals - eagles, bees, octopi, dogs etc reality is seen as different. Whose reality is the realest? |
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it's all the same because we're all co-existing in the same reality, just different perceptions of that one reality |
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I once saw a movie with mosquitos.... in the film |
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i dont think we a re being drempt my mosquitos, if everything we do is a dream then they too are part of the dream, and that would imply that the 'real world' would be the same as this one, except that its a dream, and if that how the universe works then its just silly. Notice how in cartoons, some mad scientist evolves himself to as far as a human will evolve, and tha always ends up as some floating brain, yet that brain always gets defreatd by the stupedist little kid with a bat or whatever. If the future we are all like that then the world will have to change for us to cope in it as floating brains arent supposed to co exist with us now. |
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I wouldn't rule out any possibility, because when it comes down to it, there's no way of really saying what's real and what's not. The way I see it is my life is how I percieve it, and that's all that matters to me. |
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oh, this discussion. again. |
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In order for us to evolve into just floating brains or pure thought, we will all have to cease all our other functions including things like repairing body damage, eating, talking. This is necessary for evolution to take these things away. I can't ever see it happening... never in all possible existence. |
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kind of depends. people already have to move less and lesss, do less and less. if our technological evolution evolves, meaning we just have to do less physically, our bodies should slowly disappear.... very, very slowly. |
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blah, I hate these stupid discussions... philosophy for the sake of it... "Do I exist? Am I really here wondering if I'm really here?" Blah, of course I am... |
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all we are invented the drinking |
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parts of my body seem to be disappearing :S |
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I wank so I exist |
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I exist therefore I wank. |
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I think therefore i probably are -Infinity welcomes careful drivers |
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we exist.... thats sure... but why? I think its just a coincidence of facts... no reason to invent a religion |
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I want to exist in a non-existant reality which exists in a different dimension!!! Ooooh, I'm so philosophical... give me a cookie!! |
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I see what you're saying but there are people who enjoy sport and I can't see that interest waining. It also makes you healthier, increasing life span. Our feet are growing longer and the level of detail we use our fingers for is making them increase in length. The physicallities will still always be there. |
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punishment for funkmaster: listen to Icbyd 20 times in non stop |
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Planet of the Apes had it right... we're going to de-evolve into monkies!! |
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that movie has some big mistakes how long did we take us to evolve from monkeys to humans? like one million years I think how many years in the movie does it take the monkeys toevolve into intelligent beings? 2000 years too fast isnt it? |
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goddamn! that is true. |
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The 'Greys' are super-evolved humans of THE FUTURE come back in time to laugh at our teensy heads, hee hee ha ho! |
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its all the coffee they drink, it sped things up |
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we are all the dream of the nice big fat head on the hydroponic growing steadily in the loving care and 800 watt solar lamps in Q4Z2X's basement. |
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Q4Z2X is our creator-lord-entitystrokething |
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thought itself is nothing more than applying a structure to what is already there, so structure you know...it's like non-existent, it's a way for a being like us to just be able to order things and act on them respectively... now if all the parts making up our thought are already existing....is our thought truly original? i think not....wait that is a thought too....maybe the age-old saying "i think therefore i am" is flawed....just because i am able to apply structure to what is there doesn't mean i actually exist....and we're talking spiritual existance, mentality...not the physical kind....! but i laugh at christians for example, because in their mind nothing greater than them exists, oh besides of course that one dude who knows all, can do all and blah...what bullcrap. the existence of god is logically impossible, we cannot be aware of what encompasses us, how could a 2 dimensional human possibly understand the 3rd dimension...sure he can believe in it, think about it, but it's useless, because the 3rd dimension isn't as simple as adding another layer to thought...or our existence it changes the whole idea/perception of reality....and our perception of reality is a subjective one, don't forget that, ultimately we only see what we want to see. in a state where our consciusness would not dominate our thought process it would be possible to take on a different angle, but the ultimate objective reality is all inclusive of all angles, we could never do this....it is daunting...we are rats inside a maze.....there is no up or down, just left or right |
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btw, i made this new avatar using wooferattacks avatar...something new coming out of something old, i like that idea. 300 posts. wwwwwooo |
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waking up and realising that you've pissed the bed |
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Reality is overrated. |
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blahbøllblahblahgblah. |
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this message seems to go very well with your avatar Drunken Mastah.. : ) |
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the problem with the 'what if we are all not really here and we are in a dream?' assumption, is that it ignores ethics - if we are all just in a dream, then it shouldn't matter if i kill or rape someone, since how can there be anything wrong with that if we aren't even in a reality? the only way we confirm some sort of reality (even if it is a temporal truth, not an absolute Truth) is that we can create threads of commonality between temporal truths agreed upon by individuals and by groups. yes, parts of that temporal truth may contradict and people may have inconsistent facts/fictions, but to say that it is all fiction is absurd. |
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why? why do you refuse the idea that you are fictional....made up...created as a result of an equation |
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I once had a philosophy of the mind class in which we debated for a month the question "Is a yellow bus really yellow?"- Perception is subjective even from a thermodynamic standpoint- we can never observe matter in its true state/position- the act of observation changes the observed, so ultimately we must rely on logical constructs to explain things as jenf suggested. |
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MUST rely on them? doubt that, thinking like that blocks any other possible view |
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Ultimately it is more useful than suggesting we are the dreams of mosquitos. |
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Reality is a delivery company that operates in the UK. |
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reality: there are more than million realities |
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Reality is that which, when you stop beleiving in it, doesn't go away. Obviously... |
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wow the philosopherrs club is out is full forrce. |
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matter does not give rise to consciousness, consciousness gives rise to matter. all matter, no matter how small, is conscious. mind is a focus of consciousness, and the mind of a human is focused in a different manner and degree than a mosquito. the information processing and memory functions of a mosquito are very limited, because they were not designed to do anything except be effective mosquitos. a mosquito neither seeks nor needs understanding or transcendance. when a mosquito dies, the dedicated creative conscious energy that manifested as "a mosquito" is dissolved back into the source. consciousness may be focused in terms of the personality entity we associate with ourselves, but without a physical manifestation. there is tremendous depth and variety in these "foci," so it would be misleading to generalize about their nature and attitude about our existence and experience. what is the fate of the human consciousness at death? there is tremendous depth and variety of experience. to generalize, some will manifest in physical form, some will maintain a personality focus in nonphysical form, and some will be dissolved back into the source. there exists in reality no time, and no space. does it really matter? there is nothing that matters more. are you expected to resolve all these issues on your own, now? absolutely not, and you cannot do so. nevertheless, never underestimate the power of your intent, and the importance of expressing your will to understand. |
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reality is your ugly face, and your tiny penis |
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i'm actually quite handsome. and... i'm handsome. |
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you may not be too far off. |
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matter does not give rise to consciousness, consciousness gives rise to matter. all matter, no matter how small, is conscious. mind is a focus of consciousness, and the mind of a human is focused in a different manner and degree than a mosquito. Matter gives rise to consciousness. Define consciousness if you don't believe me. And don't give me any of that spiritual shit "oh, atoms are in tune with the life-force energy matrix that flows through the soul of the universe". |
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i'm not trying to say that reality doesn't exist, or that everything is a dream, and our actions don't matter, but i am trying to make the point that we don't really know any difference between reality and dreams,(especially while experiencing them, unless you are an experienced lucid deamer) other than the recollection of a dream afterwards being vastly hazier.. but does this mean that our actions don't do mean anything in "The dream world"..? if you kill/hurt a fictional dream figure, do they fictionally feel it? |
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err.. ...actions don't do OR mean anything.. |
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