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"life-force energy matrix that flows through the soul of the universe" haha |
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The thing that differentiates reality from a dream is that it is consistent. Every time you wake up, it is there, and it is the same. |
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you make a good point.. but i wouldn't say EVERY time you wake up, it'd be the same.. there could be one day were you just didn't wake up, or as you woke up, an airplane crashes into your appt/house, or a bunch of thieves sneak in and slash your throat as you wake up... these much less-likely scenarios seem much more irrational or dream-like then usual reality.. but i wouldn't say that dreams are as really as real as what you are doing now, physically hitting keys, etc, but it's just your minds best attempt at creating a possible alternate reality for you experience, and most of the time you won't know the difference while experiencing it.. |
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All right, good point: reality exists without you existing. It goes on without you. |
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Boring. |
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precisely.. |
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meh.. i just seem to prefer pseudo-intellectual babble over "guess what color my t-shirt is" threads.. |
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suck my weiner |
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Boring. |
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not that there's really any threads like that, i was just either going to create this thread, or a thread about my exciting t-shirt.. |
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<- and that HAS to be me, hubba hubba |
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Whadda your nipples look like? |
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reality is everything bad that happens so, assholes can say "well that's reality" |
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shut up you siut |
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The information we receive through our perceptions. Decartes. |
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"don't give me any of that spiritual shit "oh, atoms are in tune with the life-force energy matrix that flows through the soul of the universe"." despite your amusing characterization of my perspective, mappatazee, i assert again that matter is itself a manifestation of consciousness. most people will agree that consciousness is not easily defined, given that it represents to our knowledge a very complex phenomenon. let's assume first that we mean a state of awareness, a basic definition. yet our only perceived reference for understanding the nature of consciousness-our own state of awareness-is our own conscious physical experience. it is believed that mind begins and ends with the body because that is all you see; the body and its sensory apparatus is the temporal mirror in which you contemplate your self within apparent physical reality. while you are experiencing physical reality it requires tremendous discipline to see beyond this illusory effect. your body and its sensory experience is only a part of your self, which is much broader. to me, consciousness is the fabric into which we are woven as patterns. it exists independently of physical manifestations, yet physical manifestations cannot be separated from it. what you perceive as solid matter occupying space is actually emptiness, a void, that is given definition by the focus of mind. consciousness, energy and matter are all manifestations of the same. |
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I just gave people the definitive answer. |
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yup |
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maybe, but that would mean another lifeform would have to think of them the same way they think of us, and us of mosquitoes, and so on |
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your definitive answer is hundreds of years out of date, promo! i'm not sure that quote captures descartes' perspective, either. isn't the information that we receive through our perceptions filtered and interpreted? is it not variable, and in many cases, unreliable? though most of the time our perception allows us to create a reasonable and useful facsimile of reality (because to operate in this world requires only a very small vision), saying that reality is the information that we receive through our senses seems to be like saying that electromagnetic energy is our capacity to perceive light. |
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Descartes was a dogmatist. |
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aren't dreams also information received through perceptions? then are dreams reality? |
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okay, but answer me this: if there are factual, experiential instances of lucid dream states of awareness, then you basically have given a counterexample to your former supposition - specifically, that you "can't" tell the difference between dream and reality. once you provide one example that contradicts this "can't", there's no point in going further to try and justify it. it just is false. :) |
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actually, that wasn't presented in a form of a question, so let me rephrase: if there is a counterexample, how do you go about discussing the topic further, taking into consideration an exception? |
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*throws an exception at the xltronic class function* |
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if you can't tell the difference between dreams and reality - and the brain regions involved are the same - you couldn't discuss the topic further, cos there would be no reality and no dream to talk about. sounds like.. wow, easy. |
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wow that exception got us in a 5 years deadlock |
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The universe is information and we are stationary in it, not three-dimensional and not in space or time. The information fed to us we hypostatize into the phenomenal world. we are inside the black iron prison The empire never ended... |
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it's all an illusion, everything. they say ignorance is bliss, but nearly everybody is ignorant but very few are living in bliss. your whole life is as meaningless as that of an ant. recognise and understand that FACT. the further you pull away from that the further from reality you become. there is no god, there is no you, everything you do over and above the necessities of staying alive are entirely pointless and meaningless. the only question is, how do you want to live your illusion - for an illusion your life is? do you want to make your life a happy illusion or an unhappy illusion? to do this, you need to understand what life actually is and strip away the content of your culture, conditioning and beliefs. otherwise, not only will you live in illusion, but also the permanent struggling for answers, equaling frustration and perpetual unhappiness. |
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what is reality? haha oh xltronic you'll always be this way. Is barcode licking his own nuts again? |
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yeah, they're sparkling |
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AMPI's back AMPI's back! thanks for blowing my 14th of the month hypothosis outta the water. At least you aint been had by the the local G-stars. PS .... i just lost the game. |
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Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. Philip K. Dick, "How to Build a Universe That Doesn't Fall Apart Two Days Later", 1978 US science fiction author (1928 - 1982) |
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excellent quote |
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Considering they are your fictional character, I would say that would be entirely up to you now wouldn't it. |
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oh fuck me.. page 2 |
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i'm beginning to see your point. |
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try . could be a good explenation. |
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The absurd. Personally. |
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DMT the spirit molecule within us all |
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ahhh shucks means we have to live again...that disappoints me |
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yep that sucks indeed. just imagine to be stucked in a neverending loop of life and dead modes. good to have bear in life mode to make it more smooth ey? |
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beer |
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bears are dangerous |
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and being aware of it |
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who would or has tried DMT I'm too scared to try it |
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i'm looking for a drug that makes me shut up for a while |
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but it's today the last one. |
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