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check out on eminem supposedly using the n-word in a song 10 years ago and doing a song dissing black girls back when he was 15 in 1988. i posted the following after Skillz made a post about this subject: like yourself, eminem isn't afraid to rap about anything, and sometimes that gets him in a tight spot. but i think i can excuse him for being disrespectful to black girls when he was just 15. he just broke up with one (alledgedly) and was probably just venting. people mature in 15 years, i'll give him the benefit of the doubt about respecting black women now. as for the other lyric, which i read that eminem and his manager denied knowledge of (could it be fake?), that's fucked up and he was old enough to know better if he said it. i guess people who like eminem just have to remember that a looooooot of people use racial slurs casually/humorously and that we're wrong for doing it, too, and also that maybe he's realized this since then and stopped. i have never heard him use that word before, he even made a joke about how people would be up in arms if he used it on the marshall mathers LP. ----- personally i have my doubts about the song in question with the n-word (eminem admitted to the earlier one as you can read about in the article) because the source/benzino have a serious vendetta against him and it wouldn't be hard to find someone who can do a good early eminem impression (he wasn't that good back in the early '90s and his voice wasn't nearly as strong or rich). while i think it's a lame publicity stunt, skillz and other people think it should be all over the news like the kobe case and wacko jacko's latest setup (maybe i'm cynical or a conspiracy nut but i feel like that one's highly suspicious as well). if it is eminem using "nigga" on that song, shame on him, i'm disappointed. but from what i ca |
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.......but from what i can tell he's changed since then, if it really happened. on a less serious note i'm starting to think eminem's "productions" (stretch of the term, it's damn near ghost-producing but i'm sure he does a little) are a little flat and overrated. maybe he should stick to just rapping, which he excels at, and leave it to real producers.. |
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wasn't he like 14 then? I don't think I could defend everything I did when I was that age... |
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exactly, he said he was young and stupid and i don't doubt that a bit. people put a lot of scrutiny on him that they'd let slide for almost anyone else. some people are vultures just waiting for the right moment to pick someone apart. |
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yeah no shit. sad when you are famous or into politics and all this shit is dragged up on you. honestly, wtf. |
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wait wait wait hold up eminem is white? |
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he should leave the production to Dre... ...and if this blows up at all, i'll be incredbibly disappointed with the parties involved... it's obvious that he does not hate black people... ... and to be honest... i'd advocate a climate in which anyone can use the de-derogatorified version of the term with the "gga" ending, as opposed to the "gger" ending ( i apologize for not being more direct... but times is stupid)... the majority of the users of said term mean nothing derogatory by it... and if it becomes a universalized term used by all in such a context, it can no longer be a symbol of past ignorance... perhaps,even, instead: a symbol of a post-modern sentiment of unity across colour lines... we all listen to hip hop... we should all be able to rhyme our jiggas with ... something... |
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I like Eminiem, he's got a good flow...maybe he's crossed over and all that nonsense but he plays around with things. |
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dr. dre is guilty of ghost producing too.. ask scott storch and a dozen others. but he's more involved than eminem is and he has a better ear for music by a mile. dre is a genius but he's lazy and overhyped. and you're right, eminem obviously loves black people (obie trice used the term "nigger-happy" to describe him in "rap name" shortly after he was signed to shady records).. obie, d12, 50 cent, royce da 5'9", and a whole lot of other black rappers got on with his help. using "nigga" is ridiculously inappropriate, especially for a white guy but also for anyone else. it's a word that offends a whole lot of people, and no matter how you recontextualize it (and respell it) it's the same word that's caused so much pain and humilitation for 200+ years. everyone needs to just drop it from their lexicon already. "IMO" |
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seriously though i don't think its a big deal |
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yea absolutely, his lyrical style is ridiculous. vocally he's a technical wizard. of course i also think people who have been blessed with both talent and fame should use them for good.. if i could switch eminem's place for a talib kweli or mos def i would. |
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"Rashers" crisps from tesco smell like hospitals, but they taste so nice. |
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Talib Kweli is amazing! I've lost faith with mos deaf...he can rhyme but I'm not sure about his motives... |
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yeah exactly... there's no reason for anyone to be offended by a comment that they bloody-well know isn't meant offend... i would argue that "nigga" was never used in a negative context to begin with, as it was, for all intensive purposes, created by black hip-hoppers... and seeing as how they don't plan to give up on it any time soon... i don't see why i should be prevented from appropriating the term... the colour of my skin shouldn't make me a second-class hip hop citizen... |
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same here, it's been really tough understanding mos def's motives for a couple years now. supposedly his 2nd solo album is coming in a few months so maybe he'll make up for a lot of really bad decisions (taking bit parts in bad movies, questionable musical collaborations). |
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m-m-mighty mos def... i still gots hope for the boy... and i think he's a decent actor, while we're on the subject (the least annoying part of that fucking Carmen hip-hopera) |
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people started pronouncing it "nigga" in the 70s, it's jive, turkey(!). it's slang and for the most part it's meant well but it's still offensive and hurtful to so many people that i just think it'd be easy and polite to just pick another word. dog, cat, playa, homey, ANYTHING other than a term that is still used to put people down because they were born a certain race or gender. |
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doesn't nigger actually mean a worker? or something like that. i remember hearing that it didn't neccessarilly mean black people, that slave owners used the term because they were slaves. |
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he's not a very good actor. he's a charismatic human being and that's why people (like me) can enjoy his acting, his good nature shines through. but none of his movies, and i've seen most of the ones he's been in (monster's ball, the italian job, and bamboozled being his best roles), have made me think he should spend more or even as much time acting than doing music. of course i should really see top dog/underdog (his two-man broadway production) before i say anything. |
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but the only person who's being put down by it is the white people who have to tread carefully around it... i would have no difficulty leaving it all be... but it still pops up on just about every wicked black hip-hop album i can think of... (obviously there are some great albums that don't have it, and obviously there are some white assholes who might use it innappropriately... but i'd say that in most circumstances , what i'm saying holds...) |
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i know, it sucks. most of my favorite hip-hop albums have it, too, and to be honest, it doesn't bother me when i'm listening or even if i rap along. but then i get to thinking about the bigger picture and realize it's wrong for that term to be used in any context because of its history and negative emotional resonance and that it really would be easy for any half-clever rapper to substitute another word. i actually do think strides are being made to do this, too, because a lot of rappers are realizing that they have been put into a position of power (anyone who says that people don't care what a jay-z, britney spears, or radiohead says is wrong), especially among children, and need to do their best to not poison their minds but uplift them as best as they can. i'm not saying rappers should all go positive/"conscious" or that there isn't a place for gangsta rap but i am saying that they have been given a platform and they can either use it or abuse it. |
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that is a whole other can of worms though... *looks vindictively at all the rich rappers who haven't once thrashed their tongue at the government that disenfranchised so many black voters in 2000* |
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a lot of rich black rappers don't get it. in my opinion they're just republicans who don't realize it. think about it, they're only out to benefit themselves and they love guns and money. they have nothing to do with the lower class or middle class black experience they usually come from. on the other hand you have people like black star, common, dead prez, j-live, and blackalicious who would be getting people to think differently if only they had the platform that eminem has. thank goodness jay-z, nas, and outkast slip in some political and social commentary here and there and people actually pick up on it. |
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it's frightening to think that the most influential political rap track of the year is that abomination "Where is the Love?"... but you'll notice: when black people do it, the radio djs don't hold public burnings of their albums.... black people are in a unique position to talk a hell of a lot more smack than the whiteys can... |
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well it's because blacks have been historically disenfranchised and discriminated against.. still are. white people also have legitimate criticism to offer but it's invariably brought up that they're economically and socially priviledged "and should shut up". it's easier to shoot them down when you don't want the truth being exposed, but with a black person you have to give them a little leeway since it's widely understood that as a race they've been shit on for centuries, but comfort can be taken by those in power knowing that less people are going to take what a black person says seriously than if they were white and especially if they're an entertainer. |
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people are still discussing eminem? that's sooooo 2000. |
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no one else has an opinion on this? maybe if i had added something about naked girls to the title.. |
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Bang on, almost everyone has some dirt that could be dragged up on them if they came into the public eye later in life... the question is simply how tight lipped your mates are. I think we expect perfection of all celebrities all the time and it's never going to happen. Pretending it wil just encourages people to cover things up or outright deny them. Titsworth: Good analogy about rich black rappers and republicans. It is tragic how most people percieve hip hop as being about guns, women and money and "proper" hip hop groups such as those you mentioned are apologetic for it. |
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just wait till rdjs past comes up he called me a hooknosed kike! |
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seriously, wtf. the radio this morning in Detroit . One of the guys from the Source was on and they are so fucking against eminem. they are acting like they gave him great reviews and helped him get where he is today. WHAT THE FUCK. you should have heard that guy from the source. he was like "THIS IS UNDER HEAVY INVESTIGATION" wtf? cause he dropped the n-bomb back when he was 15 or 20 or wahtever? who the FUCK cares. he was acting so crazy about it it was rediculous. i couldn't even beleive it. it was like it's some HUGE scandal like he murdered someone or something. pffft someone DDoS the source's website |
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like i care about eminem... |
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This is a Benzino stunt after getting whooped by Eminem in rap. Who the fuck cares what he said half his life ago, so long as he doesn't really hold those views it doesn't matter (which I would say he probably doesn't). Benzino has been trying to play the race card from day one. It has all got a bit boring now. As for the point about whether the word nigga is acceptable, if it is for black rappers it is for white rappers, Cage has used the word loads of times. It is harmless and is just lazy language. If people are ofended my the none malicious use of any word in the english language they are just stupid. Also as for black rappers getting a bit more leeway when it comes to the words use, that is just a bullshit thing, and one sure way to ensure that racism always exists. So called positive discimination can be just as demaging as traditional racism. |
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15... he was not a little child he knew what he was saying and what effect it would have. just face that he was wrrong, it was bad, no excuse. |
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word up my nigga |
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White people have no reason to use/say/think that word- none- period- end of story. |
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WORDS AREN'T REAL |
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you're goddamn right about his ghost-production.. and all of his beats sound exactly the same.. runnin (dying to live) .. he 500th reiteration of that song.. was pretty good tho |
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who cares about this white trash piece of shit? |
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what's hilarious is benzino is half white (as eminem pointed out in "nail in the coffin") and the other co-owner of the source is completely white. that makes the source white owned, so their pretense of defending minorities is really thin and unbelievable. |
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the one w/ the n-word sounds nothing like eminem to me, just some random ignorant white boy freestyling.. could be from last week. the 1988 one definitely sounds like eminem but it's like an old beastie boys track, you can't take it seriously |
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It's just a word now. It has no significance today. Years ago it was a different matter. The more people treat it as taboo the longer it will have a sort of power. |
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they said "omg we took the maxell tape down to Maxell and they said it was made in october 1993" or whateer, so he would have been 21 when he said it" UHHH someone could have made a COPY of it in 1993 , dumbass. |
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ok, that's the opinion of one person. do you really think it's no big deal if a bunch of white guys greet each other with "wassup nigga!" in the company of, let's say, elderly black people? do you think they'd not find that significant? i think a lot of people are either really ignorant or in plain denial. whether you are cool with the word or not is a completely different matter than whether the word is actually defused of all past connotations. the bottom line is it still hurts so many people, you just don't know it. |
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If it hurts so many people then why is it so widely used in lyrics today? That just seems to contradict the offensiveness of the word. |
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Didn't actually reply to you properly there. "do you really think it's no big deal if a bunch of white guys greet each other with "wassup nigga!" in the company of, let's say, elderly black people?" Well, situation makes certain words, actions etc unacceptable. It's the same for everything. I'm not saying it's acceptable to call all black people niggers. I think that's unacceptable. If it's meant in a derogatory fashion. But more often than not it's not meant like that. But as you say. Using the word in front of elderly black would be wrong. "do you think they'd not find that significant?" I think they would. |
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i just spent 5+ minutes typing a message only for the board to swallow it. i'm so pissed. anyway, rap is a caricature, not real life or even a fair representation of it. i wrote a good couple paragraphs but i'm too frustrated to rethink it all and retype it. |
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Good point on the caricature. |
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Thanks for the link to the clips I hadn't heard them. I agree totally with you about the Nigga Shit one...sounds absolutely nothing like Eminem, the style of rapping (especially as whoever is rapping states it's 95 which was the Slim Shady EP year), the voice, the rhyme construct...sounds fuck all like him. The one about black girls just sounds like someone starting out rapping and a lot of what he says sounds as though it is written just to try and rhyme and fit in with everything else. Means nothing. The other one is definitely faske as this track is twice as old as the so called "nigga shit" one and you can still clearly hear that this one is Eminem all be it a younger one. |
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I love the word and use it in every conversation. So what if black people take offence, they're all fucking stupid anyway. |
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yeah nigga that's what I was trying to say before. I call everyone nigga, even chinks and paki's but I'm not racist. |
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