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         |  DJ Xammax
             from not America on 2003-11-10 09:33 [#00943773] Points: 11512 Status: Lurker
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 | Anyone seen this? It's on tonight, I want to know if it's worth staying up for.
 
 
 
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         |  JAroen
             from the pineal gland on 2003-11-10 09:37 [#00943784] Points: 16065 Status: Regular
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 | mm i dont like the title.. 
 uh
 
 oh yeah never seen it.. so i dunno
 you could watch it if your really bored i guess...
 
 
 
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         |  Inverted Whale
             from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2003-11-10 09:40 [#00943791] Points: 3301 Status: Lurker
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 | I've seen it. I liked it - but it's rather painful to watch in places. The subject matter is kind of tough and the
 director uses anxious tension to great advantage.
 
 It took guts to make this film ... don't watch it if you
 want some light viewing.
 
 
 
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         |  HedFire
             on 2003-11-10 09:43 [#00943792] Points: 196 Status: Lurker
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 | ohhhh yes definitely watch it. best line ever is towards the end during the conv. with the father and son
 
 
 
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         |  theo himself
             from +- on 2003-11-10 09:45 [#00943793] Points: 3348 Status: Regular
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 | it's incredibly transparent and pretentious.. I wasn't the least bit affected by it. don't buy into it.. it's a joke
 
 
 
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         |  epohs
             from )C: on 2003-11-10 09:45 [#00943794] Points: 17620 Status: Lurker
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 | it's really 'enjoyable' to watch.  very intense. 
 i've seen it twice, and i'll never watch it again.
 
 but, prolly worth watching once.
 
 
 
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         |  epohs
             from )C: on 2003-11-10 09:46 [#00943795] Points: 17620 Status: Lurker
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 | it's really = it's not really 
 
 
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         |  fleetmouse
             from Horny for Truth on 2003-11-10 09:47 [#00943797] Points: 18042 Status: Lurker
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 | It's a black depressing hell-pit of a movie with a core of human misery, like a cyanide flavored tootsie pop with drano
 crystals in the center.
 
 I like it!
 
 I understand Welcome to the Dollhouse is also very good.
 
 
 
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         |  fleetmouse
             from Horny for Truth on 2003-11-10 09:49 [#00943798] Points: 18042 Status: Lurker | Followup to theo himself: #00943793
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 | What, it wasn't authentic enough for you? Go watch some Holocaust footage you zany nutbar.
 
 
 
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         |  BlatantEcho
             from All over (United States) on 2003-11-10 09:53 [#00943805] Points: 7210 Status: Lurker
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 | I loved it. 
 
 
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         |  theo himself
             from +- on 2003-11-10 09:55 [#00943809] Points: 3348 Status: Regular
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 | it was terrible. * 1/2 (out of *****) 
 
 
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         |  qrter
             from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-11-10 09:55 [#00943810] Points: 47414 Status: Moderator
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 | it is good. you should watch it. 
 it's a funny film. not much more.
 
 (so how you can say it's pretentious, I have no idea)
 
 
 
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         |  mimi
             on 2003-11-10 09:56 [#00943813] Points: 5721 Status: Regular
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 | i thought it was funny 
 
 
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         |  qrter
             from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-11-10 09:56 [#00943814] Points: 47414 Status: Moderator | Followup to theo himself: #00943809
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 | yes, you already said that. 
 never really said why, though.
 
 
 
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         |  theo himself
             from +- on 2003-11-10 10:04 [#00943824] Points: 3348 Status: Regular
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 | I don't really remember any specifics.. I just remember being annoyed at a lot of stilted dialogue and an overt
 attempt to be shocking.. that's all this movie was.. a big
 "look at me" / "make me feel important, daddy!" cry.. so
 fucking what some little boys got touched in your movie??
 that's all it gets its undeserved attention for.. bloah blah
 blah we've all heard the story of hidden decay behind the
 happy suburban facade.. nothing new.. I wasn't shocked.. I
 was annoyed .. esp. because I knew a lot of people were
 going to buy its gimmick and laud it for all the reasons the
 director,  todd solonz,  wanted everyone to. I take away
 that 1/2 *.
 
 
 
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         |  theo himself
             from +- on 2003-11-10 10:07 [#00943827] Points: 3348 Status: Regular
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 | if you're into shitty, stagey movies based entirely around gimmicks (esp. those of the ultra-fallible variety), I
 recommend any/everything m. night shamaylan (that's not his
 real name by the way..) has done
 
 
 
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         |  qrter
             from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-11-10 10:14 [#00943834] Points: 47414 Status: Moderator | Followup to theo himself: #00943824
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 | I never saw it like that. I wasn't shocked by it at all. seems to me like you're focusing much to much on all the
 hype that surrounded the film.
 
 how can you take it that seriously? it's so overtly over the
 top! it's a big comic strip!
 
 but I did think it was very funny - which is pretty good in
 my mind.
 
 
 
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         |  viktor
             from Uppsala (Sweden) on 2003-11-10 10:15 [#00943836] Points: 1129 Status: Lurker | Followup to DJ Xammax: #00943773
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 | watch it! it's great, really funny if you're into that kind of humour...
 
 
 
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         |  theo himself
             from +- on 2003-11-10 10:38 [#00943858] Points: 3348 Status: Regular
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 | hmm.. I might be missing some of the context.. I didn't see the whole thing :/
 
 am I thinking of "Storytelling"? or is that the one where he
 tries to get people with the black professor that fucks a
 white student and makes her call him nigger? that made me
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         |  viktor
             from Uppsala (Sweden) on 2003-11-10 10:41 [#00943860] Points: 1129 Status: Lurker | Followup to theo himself: #00943858
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 | that doesn't sound like 'Happiness'... 
 
 
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         |  qrter
             from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-11-10 10:47 [#00943867] Points: 47414 Status: Moderator | Followup to theo himself: #00943858
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 | that's "Storytelling", yes. 
 
 
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         |  aneurySm
             from Ypsilanti (United States) on 2003-11-10 10:50 [#00943871] Points: 1701 Status: Lurker
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 | dude one of the funniest movies i had seen in a while...  'i
 cummed' 'is yer pussy all, uh, wet, uahauh'
 yeah...
 
 
 
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         |  HedFire
             on 2003-11-10 11:03 [#00943875] Points: 196 Status: Lurker
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 | i like the shock value i guess...... 
 i still found it funny
 
 
 
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         |  Paco
             from Gothenburg (Sweden) on 2003-11-10 11:12 [#00943877] Points: 2659 Status: Lurker
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 | It's really funny eventhough the subject matter is very serious. I love the scene where the father tells of his
 dream where walks into a park with an M4 and mows people
 down.
 
 "What's different this time?"
 
 "This time I didn't kill myself at the end."
 
 or something..
 
 It is worth seeing.
 
 
 
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         |  DJ Xammax
             from not America on 2003-11-10 12:48 [#00943995] Points: 11512 Status: Lurker
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 | Thanks. 
 I will watch it.
 
 
 
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         |  viktor
             from Uppsala (Sweden) on 2003-11-10 13:17 [#00944022] Points: 1129 Status: Lurker | Followup to DJ Xammax: #00943995
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 | good! tell us if you enjoyed it or not. 
 
 
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         |  plaidzebra
             from so long, xlt on 2003-11-10 13:47 [#00944049] Points: 5678 Status: Lurker
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 | enter the lone dissenter. 
 i thought there was very little about this film that was
 funny.  i have difficulty understanding that people find
 humor in what seems relentlessly uncomic and misanthropic.
 
 
 there are a few (tragi-)comic moments (a lonely woman makes
 a date with a lonely, socially inept  crank caller who uses
 remote humiliation and dirty talk as a sexual stimulus, then
 when they meet, there is a long, awkward silence, and as the
 crank caller edges towards the woman, she suddenly says
 "this isn't working..."), but otherwise the film's obsession
 with misery is like a two hour symphony in which the same
 miserable chord repeats over and over.
 
 at times the film is successful in revealing the hidden
 depths of unfulfilled desires that fuel human unhappiness,
 but it lingers on those depths with a self-absorbed
 prurience and schadenfreude.
 
 
 
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         |  viktor
             from Uppsala (Sweden) on 2003-11-10 14:08 [#00944089] Points: 1129 Status: Lurker
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 | at times the film is successful in revealing the hidden depths of unfulfilled desires that fuel human unhappiness,
 but it lingers on those depths with a self-absorbed
 prurience and schadenfreude.
 
 didn't understand much of that mumbo-jumbo, but I think that
 'Happiness' is a really funny picture! sure, it's tragic and
 dark, but I still think it's meant to be funny. just watch
 it, and allow yourself to laugh...
 
 
 
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         |  flea
             from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2003-11-10 14:09 [#00944092] Points: 9083 Status: Regular
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 | well worth staying up for and watching and recording to watch again sometime..
 it was one of the DVD's I bought..infact one of the things
 to inspire us to buy a DVD player cuz it was not available
 on VHS..
 now I can't find Storytelling in any of the shops..
 grrr...
 
 
 
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         |  flea
             from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2003-11-10 14:11 [#00944095] Points: 9083 Status: Regular
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 | and then go and track down and find Welcome to the Doll's House...
 
 
 
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         |  TonyFish
             from the realm of our dreams on 2003-11-10 15:10 [#00944168] Points: 3349 Status: Lurker
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 | aw shit I was thinking of 'Storytelling' too. 
 
 
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         |  qrter
             from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-11-10 15:34 [#00944198] Points: 47414 Status: Moderator | Followup to plaidzebra: #00944049
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 | again, seems to me a case of taking the film too seriously. 
 the film is ridiculous in how sad and lonely all the people
 are, it's stylized.
 
 that gives it breathingspace, which allows for a lot of
 humour to creep in.
 
 about the 'schadenfreude' - you could see it like that,
 although that does seem to be a part of the film's message.
 there you are laughing at all these sad people and suddenly
 you see how it refers back to reality and probably your own
 life.
 in it's depiction for 'schadenfreude' you could say it's
 being pretty honest - that's how the world works at times.
 
 
 
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         |  tolstoyed
             from the ocean on 2003-11-10 15:44 [#00944216] Points: 50073 Status: Moderator
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 | i loved it...i would love to see it in a cinema some time - seems really appropriate for the big screen
 and the actors - the best part of the film imo, but im sure
 solondz had a lot to do with that as well
 
 
 
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         |  qrter
             from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-11-10 15:46 [#00944218] Points: 47414 Status: Moderator | Followup to tolstoyed: #00944216
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 | well, he did write and direct the film. :) 
 but it is an "actors film", yes, so it does work because of
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         |  qrter
             from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-11-10 15:46 [#00944221] Points: 47414 Status: Moderator | Followup to qrter: #00944218
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 | directED.. sheesh.. 
 
 
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         |  Inverted Whale
             from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2003-11-10 15:48 [#00944226] Points: 3301 Status: Lurker | Followup to tolstoyed: #00944216
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 | I did see it in the movie theatre and the scene near the beginning with Jon Lovitz was the most excruciating bit of
 cinema I've ever sat through. It's hard to explain, but I
 was literally squirming in my seat...
 
 
 
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         |  tolstoyed
             from the ocean on 2003-11-10 15:52 [#00944236] Points: 50073 Status: Moderator
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 | i put it a bit wrong there - what i meant was that solondz must've had quite some impact on actors...
 
 
 
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         |  tolstoyed
             from the ocean on 2003-11-10 15:53 [#00944239] Points: 50073 Status: Moderator
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 | ok, now i have to see it in a theatre :) 
 
 
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         |  qrter
             from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-11-10 16:01 [#00944266] Points: 47414 Status: Moderator
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 | I saw it in the theatre too when it came out. 
 all film is essentially meant to be seen on the big screen
 and this is no different.
 
 well, some films really need to be seen in film
 theatres - LoTR, Star Wars, etc. :)
 
 
 
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         |  tolstoyed
             from the ocean on 2003-11-10 16:12 [#00944305] Points: 50073 Status: Moderator
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 | "LoTR, Star Wars, etc" 
 havent seen none of those yet :)
 
 dont go to movies much...the kind of movies i prefer comes
 to our cinemas like once or twice per month...except when
 it's a local film festival (like the one right now!!!) then
 i get to see many i like :)
 
 
 
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         |  fleetmouse
             from Horny for Truth on 2003-11-10 16:23 [#00944342] Points: 18042 Status: Lurker | Followup to qrter: #00944198
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 | Well put sir qrter - I'll also add that the characters were humanized by the brutality of their portrayal - a far cry
 from the usual bulletproof stainproof humans in american
 films - you never quite get under Kevin Spacey's skin in
 American Beauty, or feel convinced by Jack Nicholson in
 About Schmidt, to cite two films that are on a similar but
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         |  bogala
             from NYC (United States) on 2003-11-10 16:31 [#00944363] Points: 5125 Status: Regular
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 | I especially liked the end where the kid masturbates and cums on the balcony than the dog licks it up and then the
 goody goody mom kisses the dog on the mouth at the dinner
 table.... hilarious. Great film!
 If you didn't find this movie funny then you must be a Jerry
 Lewis fan.
 
 
 
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         |  bogala
             from NYC (United States) on 2003-11-10 16:40 [#00944379] Points: 5125 Status: Regular
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 | I thought the new star wars sucked compared to the old ones. They are so digital looking and everyone is a kid. It's like
 a disney movie with robots. The older ones were all models
 done by ILM. So much more real than the polished digital
 look. The robot vocals were better in the first, too. Better
 analog ring mods. Again, no digital. The new ones look like
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         |  plaidzebra
             from so long, xlt on 2003-11-10 17:02 [#00944413] Points: 5678 Status: Lurker
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 | qrter 
 true, i do take films seriously, but only when i think it is
 warranted.
 
 i find it difficult to believe that a film that depicts the
 degree of pain and degradation that "happiness" does,
 including the sexual exploitation of a child, *can* be taken
 so lightly, as if it were all a smug in-joke.  fleet, i
 cannot agree that the "brutality of their portrayal" could
 have "humanized" the characters, though the performances in
 and of themselves were mostly stunning.
 
 i am more than willing to agree to disagree, and i recognize
 that there is no one here who agrees with my perspective,
 nevertheless i stand by my comments and short critique of
 the film.
 
 next you'll be telling me that "kids" was hilarious. ; )
 
 
 
 
 
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         |  theo himself
             from +- on 2003-11-10 17:09 [#00944427] Points: 3348 Status: Regular
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 | now "kids" I loved. 
 
 
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         |  tragedy
             from Gloucester (United States) on 2003-11-10 17:12 [#00944432] Points: 4423 Status: Lurker
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 | happiness is the most sick, fucked up movie i've ever seen. 
 yeah, definately check it out.
 
 
 
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         |  tolstoyed
             from the ocean on 2003-11-10 17:15 [#00944439] Points: 50073 Status: Moderator
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 | you havent seen many then eh? :) 
 
 
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         |  qrter
             from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-11-10 18:56 [#00944503] Points: 47414 Status: Moderator | Followup to plaidzebra: #00944413
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 | ugh, "kids", now that I didn't like much. 
 if we're talking about films made for their shock-value..
 
 
 
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         |  r40f
             from qrters tea party on 2003-11-10 21:57 [#00944716] Points: 14210 Status: Regular
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 | happiness is a great film.  it has one of the best opening scenes ever (with john lovitz getting dumped)!  storytelling
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         |  Cokey Romano
             from Australia on 2003-11-10 22:26 [#00944746] Points: 223 Status: Addict
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 | I like Kids. Happiness, too, but I think it might be cut some for television, depending. I finally ordered Ken Park
 yesterday too.
 
 
 
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