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t'is today, so I guess we all should gather around and share our thoughts. I mean, who on here is sane anyway? |
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picky are we?! |
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THREE BIRDS ATE A SALESMAN |
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that's a common misconseption; schizophrenia has nothing to do with split/multiple personality. Schizophrenia actually means split brain or something, and that's why people think it refers to people having multiple personalities, which is actually as far from the truth as one possibly could come. Well, there are some cases where people actually have multiple personalities, or think that they do, but that's extremely rare. Schizophrenia is a very common personality disorder, and it costs society more than all cardiac and heart diseases alltogether. |
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mild hebephrenic type schizophrenia unmedicated mostly under control i'm just emotionally fucked mostly |
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yeah I know actually but its the standard joke, and I felt like making it :-P |
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sorry, me be dumb :) But it is a misconception nontheless though. |
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yeah nlogax is right. Often it can almost seem like split personalities even whena shizo doesn't have multiple personalities because their reactions can be unpredictable or themed for a period of time. A very simple example is like Depending on how I feel for the day I can be quiet or verbose, angry or happy or sad etc. Tends ot stick with me for a day then go. Difficult to mediate. Also very strong. Like not "a little angry", more like "Very fucking pissed" Or not "kind of pleased", but more like "I love you, stranger" |
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sounds pretty representative. anyway, I'm just depressed though, not schizoid :) |
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"The Indians have especially brutal mating practices. When a female is in heat, she will take off all her clothes and go walking around the city. Males invariably will begin to follow her, until she gets exhausted of the pursuit, and stops. The males will take off their clothes and circle around her, until one steps forward and tries to begin mating. Some other man will challenge him, and they will fight to the death without weapons. I suspect they use no weapons as a show of pure, genetic superiority; it is a custom in any case. This will go on until there is one male left alive; he will mate with the female, and by the time the female has passed her fertile period of the year, she will have done this about a dozen times; she is sure to be pregnant. She will then go off to another city of all females to give birth; this is where the children are raised, until they are able to go out into the world. The female usually gives birth to about a dozen children at once, and usually only half of them survive." |
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"The body is a biological anarchy. The sperm swim around the nuts like fish; the blood cells travel every inch of one’s frame like living cars; good bacteria eat one’s shit in one’s bowels; bad bacteria and viruses do battle with living, autonomous cells. The body is a biological anarchy. There are monsters in there." |
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Thorazine (aka Chlorpramzine aka Largatil) is a remarkable help if the dose is correct... An old old drug from the 50s, with a somewhat undeserved bad-name ("Chemical Lobomtomy" is a term I've heard used)...but for proper sufferers, it's a god-send & has saved many lives (and lets people function again; removing so much of the isolation that goes along with any mental illness...).. But yes, Schizophrenia is a much misunderstood condition...Good to see some sense being spoken here... |
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... a nice link for those who'd like to know a little more.... |
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stelazine and contegin |
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I roll my eyes everytime someone refers to schizophrenia as having multiple personalities. There are good drugs to help schizophrenics lead a relatively "normal" life. I heard on the radio today, that they won't know exacly what schizophrenia is for at least another 10 to 12 years. |
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im pretty messed up in the head. i dont know whats up with me - i have multiple personalities, i get incredible mood swings, and i sometimes get uncontrollable graphic/violent/disturbing thoughts... |
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seriously, if you're having deep-seated emotional problems, you should seek professional help asap! These things don't just "go away". A psychiatrist can help you map out any personality disorders through a comprehensive and standardized test. I'm taking that test myself at the moment. So far in the test, I have no signs of any personality disorders, but like I said earlier, I'm depressed. But, believe me, that's utter shit too! |
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Go see a Dr if this is interferring with your life to some great degree... It's important to understand that everyone goes thru times of being low and feeling messed up; all part of being human....but yes, if this isn't something that just passes then reaching out for help is always a good idea... (BTW Are those Superstrings I see in your avatar?...).. |
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yeah. ive been trying to get myself to get help for a while, but i dont know how to do it... i mean - its gonna cost money, and take time/effort i dont know. im so apathetic i'll forget to do anything. |
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I tend to have uncontrollable graphic/violent/disturbing thoughts too, but that's just a destructive pattern of thought, relating to a shitty childhood for my part. In addition to what I said about it not going away; it gets worse by the day, so the sooner you get help the better chance you have of gaining control over it before it ends up controlling you completely. |
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You speak a lot of sense, nlogax .... Best of luck with your depression...*hug* Such a wide spectrum of these sort of illnesses and still such a stigma; so so silly considering how very common they are... |
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no superstrings in here - its a contour of my face - which strangely looks like letters... almost like "Lid" in cursive writing |
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I'm not sure what laws you have in your country regarding psychiatric ward, but in norway, you only pay a percentage of the actual price. The government covers the rest. And when you've spent more than NOK 1300,- it's free for the rest of the year. I do know that Canada have fairly good health care, and if you're "ill enough", you'll get help the first day. Just be sure to exaggerate a bit the first time you go, so that they get the picture. I exaggerated a bit, and I got submitted to a psychiatric facility, but was released after an hour of consulting with my currenty psychiatrist. Extreme situations calls for extreme measures. |
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thanks, fr00d :) appreciate that. |
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:) sounds like it was fun. and canada has free standardized healthcare - so i will probably get free treatment/whatever |
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hehe, well, I was really at my all-time bottom, so fun isn't my word of choice, but it was nice to be taken seriously (eventhough I puked out a white lie or five). My doctor called the psychiatric institution while I was in his office, and he told them that I had to be submitted asap, because my score on a test went through the roof. hehe. I guess it's perfectly healty to smile about it at least. :) And yeah, going into therapy will take time (lots of it) and effort. But hey, it's for the best right? You've got nothing to lose by doing it, but fuck, you've got a shitload to lose if you don't. Know what I mean... |
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CORTICALSTIM: as far as costs of treatment, the only financial element involved is paying for the medication, and more likely than not, it ought to be covered by your family's health plan, or alternately, your student health plan (if you're attending college or university). over the past 2 years, i have been volunteering with the PEPP (prevention and early intervention program for psychoses) clinic here in London, which is the premiere schizophrenia treatment centre in all of Ontario, if not Canada, and people afflicted with mental illness come from all around the province to seek assistance. i would urge you to get in contact with your family physician ASAP and if necessary, get a referral to the PEPP clinic. here's a link to find out more about the program: |
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thanks for the link, manticore. I guess I'll find some useful reading there too. |
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.those do look like superstrings.. but as for schizophrenia, i've heard that marijuana use greatly increases schizophrenia in users, so that's no good for me and many other people here, i'm sure. what really is the definition for schizophrenia? i've heard before that it is basically a mind's way of coping with itself, trauma, and it's surroundings, or a "mental split among the functions of thought, emotion and behaviour" which i found from a very interesting .. but if that's at all the case, who's to say that what someone with this disease is hearing/seeing isn't real? if your entire existence is just impulses in your brain, an acceptation of what your senses are transmitting to you as "reality".. could it be that this change in these people's brain from this disease is just opening their perception to other concurrent forms of reality? |
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Well, first off, I don't think you can "get" schizophrenia from marihuana, but if schizophrenia runs in the family and such, it could be latent in your brain and marihuana may trigger it and make it "active" so to speak. But honestly, I really don't know. Seems like manticore might know more about the specifics on that matter. The "mental split" your referring to is the actual meaning of the word "schizophrenia" I think. |
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The current feelings of the mental health profession is that yes, if you are predisposed to mental illness of some kind, then smoking pot regularly use can bring it on... Then again, many many schizophrenics find self-medication with pot to be very useful...I haven't any papers to hand but I'll see what I can dig up... As always, Drs don't have all the answers...our western urge to label is pretty unhealthy in itself; everyone is different, some cope, some don't... I can't stress enough how important it is to talk and avoid isolation though...sometimes just recognising that all this is normal (ugg..hate that word!!) is enough... |
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wow - thanks man - thats some useful info there - ill def. check that out |
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one should get into chinese medicine really. I know an austrailian guy who've lived in china for what, 30 years, and he knows chinese medisin, including chi qong, and he currently lives in Oslo. He's one of the few "outsiders" (non-chinese) who were given permission to learn this ancient art. He told me my kidneys were out of balance, and because of that, the remaning four main organs (heart, lungs, liver and spleen) also were out of balance. One affects the other and so forth. He said my kidneys were out of balance because of too much starch (potatoes, rice, pasta, corn etc) in my diet. Anyways, he healed me, hehe I know it sounds stupid, but the way he did it was that he greeted the Chi (yin & yang, which chi qong is all about), and then he placed his hands over my kidneys, about ten centimeters above, so he wasn't actually touching me. Still, I could feel this really intense heat building up on the area in which he held his hands, and when the session was over about ten minutes later, I was all dizzy and euphoric. What I'm really trying to say is that for healing to work you need to believe in it. If you do, it most likely will work. There's a connection between the body and mind, and if your mind believes it, the body makes it real. I think I'm gonna call him today and hear what he has to say in regards to my depression. |
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just keep a few simple facts in mind. 1)getting on one of the anti-psychotics (even some of the anti depressants) is a hellish experience that can make your condition worse before they can have any positive effect. 2)getting off these medications is another nightmere, the withdrawl is not dissimilar to that of junk withdrawl, and it can result in a condition far worse than you ever started out with 3)none of the drugs are very specific, this is something a psychiatrist will admit far down the track during the "treatment"...it's akin to taking a sledge hammer to the sculpture of a brain and then piecing it all together and hoping that it all fits somehow. 4)the doctors/case workers tend to lose interest, once you are hopelessly dependent and at their mercy, unless you are that one in a hundred who experienced a miraculous recovery they will quickly wash their hands off you and before long you are just a file or a nuisance on the other end of the phone. the interest only resparks when a new drug on the market needs trialing, then you will be told that since you are not responding to the drug you are on as well as they hoped, they will like to try something new. 5)the drugs themselves come with a whole pandora's box full of vipers and scorpions other wise known as side effects. the acceptable side effects include, lack of concentration, restlessness, drowsiness, ridiculous weight gain, loss of hair, impotence and lowering of sex drive, dryness of mouth resulting in bad teeth. many describe the feeling as a constant unrelenting hangover. 6)Ther more aesthetic side effects involve lack of motivation and hampering of creativity SO ask yourself. Are the "problems" you are going through really worth this hellish baggage? If yes...then go forthy but with extremem caution, always have a support (preferably a family member) with you at all times, when visiting doctors case workers etc. Any medication they suggest or offer or prescribe do as mush research as possible on all aspects of it especially side |
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just keep a few simple facts in mind. 1)getting on one of the anti-psychotics (even some of the anti depressants) is a hellish experience that can make your condition worse before they can have any positive effect. 2)getting off these medications is another nightmere, the withdrawl is not dissimilar to that of junk withdrawl, and it can result in a condition far worse than you ever started out with 3)none of the drugs are very specific, this is something a psychiatrist will admit far down the track during the "treatment"...it's akin to taking a sledge hammer to the sculpture of a brain and then piecing it all together and hoping that it all fits somehow. 4)the doctors/case workers tend to lose interest, once you are hopelessly dependent and at their mercy, unless you are that one in a hundred who experienced a miraculous recovery they will quickly wash their hands off you and before long you are just a file or a nuisance on the other end of the phone. the interest only resparks when a new drug on the market needs trialing, then you will be told that since you are not responding to the drug you are on as well as they hoped, they will like to try something new. 5)the drugs themselves come with a whole pandora's box full of vipers and scorpions other wise known as side effects. the acceptable side effects include, lack of concentration, restlessness, drowsiness, ridiculous weight gain, loss of hair, impotence and lowering of sex drive, dryness of mouth resulting in bad teeth. many describe the feeling as a constant unrelenting hangover. 6)Ther more aesthetic side effects involve lack of motivation and hampering of creativity SO ask yourself. Are the "problems" you are going through really worth this hellish baggage? If yes...then go forthy but with extremem caution, always have a support (preferably a family member) with you at all times, when visiting doctors case workers etc. Any medication they suggest or offer or prescribe do as mush research as possible on all aspects of it especially side |
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just keep a few simple facts in mind. 1)getting on one of the anti-psychotics (even some of the anti depressants) is a hellish experience that can make your condition worse before they can have any positive effect. 2)getting off these medications is another nightmere, the withdrawl is not dissimilar to that of junk withdrawl, and it can result in a condition far worse than you ever started out with 3)none of the drugs are very specific, this is something a psychiatrist will admit far down the track during the "treatment"...it's akin to taking a sledge hammer to the sculpture of a brain and then piecing it all together and hoping that it all fits somehow. 4)the doctors/case workers tend to lose interest, once you are hopelessly dependent and at their mercy, unless you are that one in a hundred who experienced a miraculous recovery they will quickly wash their hands off you and before long you are just a file or a nuisance on the other end of the phone. the interest only resparks when a new drug on the market needs trialing, then you will be told that since you are not responding to the drug you are on as well as they hoped, they will like to try something new. 5)the drugs themselves come with a whole pandora's box full of vipers and scorpions other wise known as side effects. the acceptable side effects include, lack of concentration, restlessness, drowsiness, ridiculous weight gain, loss of hair, impotence and lowering of sex drive, dryness of mouth resulting in bad teeth. many describe the feeling as a constant unrelenting hangover. 6)Ther more aesthetic side effects involve lack of motivation and hampering of creativity SO ask yourself. Are the "problems" you are going through really worth this hellish baggage? If yes...then go forthy but with extremem caution, always have a support (preferably a family member) with you at all times, when visiting doctors case workers etc. Any medication they suggest or offer or prescribe do as mush research as possible on all aspects of it especially side |
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just keep a few simple facts in mind. 1)getting on one of the anti-psychotics (even some of the anti depressants) is a hellish experience that can make your condition worse before they can have any positive effect. 2)getting off these medications is another nightmere, the withdrawl is not dissimilar to that of junk withdrawl, and it can result in a condition far worse than you ever started out with 3)none of the drugs are very specific, this is something a psychiatrist will admit far down the track during the "treatment"...it's akin to taking a sledge hammer to the sculpture of a brain and then piecing it all together and hoping that it all fits somehow. 4)the doctors/case workers tend to lose interest, once you are hopelessly dependent and at their mercy, unless you are that one in a hundred who experienced a miraculous recovery they will quickly wash their hands off you and before long you are just a file or a nuisance on the other end of the phone. the interest only resparks when a new drug on the market needs trialing, then you will be told that since you are not responding to the drug you are on as well as they hoped, they will like to try something new. 5)the drugs themselves come with a whole pandora's box full of vipers and scorpions other wise known as side effects. the acceptable side effects include, lack of concentration, restlessness, drowsiness, ridiculous weight gain, loss of hair, impotence and lowering of sex drive, dryness of mouth resulting in bad teeth. many describe the feeling as a constant unrelenting hangover. 6)Ther more aesthetic side effects involve lack of motivation and hampering of creativity SO ask yourself. Are the "problems" you are going through really worth this hellish baggage? If yes...then go forthy but with extremem caution, always have a support (preferably a family member) with you at all times, when visiting doctors case workers etc. Any medication they suggest or offer or prescribe do as mush research as possible on all aspects of it especially side |
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sorry my ISP took a mental health day off |
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I'm pro-lobotmy! |
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Its great to see you practise what you preach |
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so, ummmmm, you mean to say I perform lobotmies? Ummm, I don't really follow you... that was obviously a joke... |
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What you're saying about anti-depressants/anti-psychotica; This may vary greatly from person to person. Me, I'm currently on anti-depressants in conjunction with seeing a psychiatrist once a week. For me, I think it's working just fine, but it's not a solution. It's a symptomatic relief. A kind of first-help kit along the way to surgery. Some people may experience the exact opposite effect of medication, and get even worse than they were initially. And that's not good at all, no. The withdrawal shouldn't be a problem, if you do it right. You don't take anti-depressants for several years, and then one day when you wake up, decide you don't wanna take 'em anymore. If you do, you're certainly asking for trouble. You cut down over a period of time, to acclimatize the body and mind. When it comes to side effects, there are a few things you should know. When a side effect is discovered, and the patient reports this to his doctor, the doctor is obliged to report this to the pharmaceutical company. Ergo, if only ONE single person experienced that particular side effect, it should be added to the list of possible side effects, eventhough the side effect may never occur again with other individuals. The fact that most drugs have side effects doesn't neccessarily mean you'll be exposed to them. On a common basis, most side effect apply to those already with a poor immune system, or who are overly sensitive to drugs or people who are in a generally lesser state. But I agree completly; most drugs are no miracle cure (very seldom at least) I think it's important to remember that these drugs help more people than they inflict reversed effects. It's just that when you hear about the latter, it's suddenly a big deal. And it is, but what media would ever focus on positive effects of drug-treatment?! Again, what you point out about making a few conciderations before you endure your treatment, is very important. The bottomline is, as always, that you're the only one who can help yourself. |
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All the side effects I have mentioned are common and acceptable side effects i.e these are the side effects the doctor tells you to expect and if he hasnt done so in your case then he's not a good doctor and doesnt have your best interests at heart. The figures about how many patients are drugged does or doesnt help are extremely debateable thrown even more in the air that another acceptable practice for psycharistists roughly 18 months or so or attempt to do it. Sucessful painless gradual withdrawal is also a myth. All the antipschotics associated with condition called tardive dyskensia which all the literature warns that it might occur either due to long term use OR withdrawal and can happen to people even in short period of time taking the drug. |
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note: psychiatrists change the medication every 18 months I meant |
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Personally, I can really only speak for my situation. When it comes to anti psychotics, I have no idea, but I do know that those drugs are heavy. On a darker note, my cousin killed himself last week after he stopped taking his anti-psychotics. Out of all the side-effects mentioned in the enclosed attachment for my meds, I have so far only experienced one; one which is very representative for anti-depressant in general: reduced libido. Some may not think so, but I'd say that's a cheap price to pay. Hell, I'd prefer anything over being depressed. All these topic are very debatable, no doubt about that. I'm sorry for speaking so bluntly about withdrawal in my previous post. Of course, withdrawal will always occur to some extent. The thing is, should you count on getting better on your own by doing nothing (i.e. plunging deeper into your mental state), or by doing at least something? Very often, just the very feeling of doing something about it actually helps. |
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What I mean to say is that personality disorders do not go away with the blink of an eye. You need help. What kind of help you need might be subject to endless debates, but you need professional help nontheless. |
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