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Yes yes I know there are many threads on the matrix already... but I wanted a place where people who saw it can discuss it, and post their thoughts on the ending etc... so... if people dont want spoilers... STOP READING! Personally I liked it. It wasnt what I expected. Well, there was alot that did happen that was expected... but it also had some good twists. I like the ending personally. It ends on what seems to be a happy note... but its really just the matrix winning. Its great. Its just like the machines said... the cycle continues. They left a few humans to survive in Zion, to rebuild it, like always. And they restarted the matrix, so its EXACTLY what the architect said would happen. And when the oracle (too bad the actress died... but they did a decent enough job of explaining it) said at the end, theyd see neo sometime in the future... its just because he will be reborn, like before... the "one" has come many times... Anyways... yeah. I liked it. Sure, there was alot of cheesiness, and trinity took WAY too long to die... but its a fucking movie. I took from it what I wanted, and accepted the fact that it has alot of flaws. |
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oh, and the music was good this time! |
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No P.O.D. gayness? |
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1. Don Davis - The Matrix Revolutions Main Title 2. Juno Reactor and Don Davis - The Trainman Cometh 3. Juno Reactor and Don Davis - Tetsujin 4. Pale 3 - In My Head 5. Don Davis - The Road To Sourceville 6. Don Davis - Men In Metal 7. Don Davis - Niobe's Run 8. Don Davis - Woman Can Drive 9. Don Davis - Moribund Mifune 10. Don Davis - Kidfried 11. Don Davis - Saw Bitch Workhorse 12. Don Davis - Trinity Definitely 13. Don Davis - Neodämmerung 14. Don Davis - Why, Mr. Anderson? 15. Don Davis - Spirit Of The Universe 16. Juno Reactor vs. Don Davis - Navras its almost all score and the parts with juno reactor where well done. at least, I didnt cringe when I heard it. It all fit really well. There were times in reloaded, where the music was just *gag* but I didnt feel that way this time |
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sorry, this movie was good. for me to poop on. I basically knew the ending from the second flick. i only went to this one b/c i was bored. The ending didn't "blow my mind" (it would according to that silver guy, producer) The visual effects? i've seen them in every other matrix. So from that standpoint it was hella lame. The ending was semi cool. I mean, i like the fact that mostly everyone died. But there was still that cheezy hollywood bullshit happiness. i concur, the music in this one was 3 times as better than the 2nd movie....Why not rage song at the end....if the matrix was still being rebuilt...people would still be able to rage against it no? |
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open endings suck like 'bla bla the cycle will contine again well leave some guys to rebuild zion plah plah' makes me wanna kick myself in the nuts for spending about 9 hours of my life watching those movies its so unsatisfying |
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i absolutely loved that movie. One thing i wasnt sure on [haha, one? yeah right...] Did Neo die, and the matrix just reset to get rid of Smith, or did Smith take over Neos body, then Neo killed all the Smiths because he was like, plugged into them or something. Or is that also part of the 'open ending'? My only hope is that they DONT decide to do another 3, even though theres talks about it |
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just saw it. i enjoyed it. you have to kinda "get off your high horse" to enjoy these movies i think. if you are looking for insert name of, in your opinion, the best movie ever then you are setting yourself up to be let down. it's eye candy. do you like candy? i do. |
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"We could go on with minor criticisms of simulated events but our chief objection is not the simulation. We just can't buy the explanation of why the computer system bothers to maintain not only the simulation but humanity. Supposedly, the computer system needs people as a power source. This makes no sense. The food fed to humans would have far more energy content than the meager power available from humans. It would require even more energy to run the food delivery system not to mention maintain the slime tubs. Why would the machines bother? Surely there'd be a more effective way to extract energy from the food. But wait! It gets worse. Liquefied dead humans are fed back to the living ones. The movie comes dangerously close to implying that the computer/energy system is a giant perpetual motion machine. This is clearly impossible according to the second law of thermodynamics and likewise impossible for us to dismiss lightly. To cover itself, the movie throws in a quick mention that the human energy source powering the machines is combined with a source of fusion. This is like getting on a 747 and having the captain explain in great detail that the plane is rubber band powered, then add that it also has four jet engines. Guess which power source gets it off the ground, duh." Heheh, gotta love ooh, looks like they have Matrix: Reloaded now, gotta check that one out. |
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im going to see it again this weekend. i dont care what anyone says about this trilogy. I THINK IT FUCKING ROCKS |
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SAME i dont know what people were expecting more of the SAME SHIT i guess? i can't beleive how good it was, and how many people are saying it sucks. i dunno :X |
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i think people are going in looking for fillet mignon when they really should just be expecting a damn tasty grilled cheese sandwich. |
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probably. I know it has its flaws [primarily keanu reeves, ok, he looks damn cool, but he acts like a short fat plank of wood.] The audience in the cinema laughed out loud when trinity died, only because he looks down, sees the pipes sticking into her, and says in the calmest, unemotional, planky way 'oh_no'... hahaha. But fuck me, when you see all those sentinels piling in? that was just awesome. Wish they'd have reduced the amount of ways you can interpret the ending, but hey, thats open endings for you |
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yeah, there were alot of laughs, where they probably werent intended but its all good :) |
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still havent seen the animatrix, i think its time |
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on the other hand, i thought the acting of hugo weaving was very good. and since he is supposed to be Neo's opposite, it makes sense that he would show more emotion and passion for his own cause, and he does. i believe Keanu Reeves is supposed to act like an emotionless plank of wood. which is why he was such a great casting decision. |
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Woah.. |
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I like the ending personally. It ends on what seems to be a happy note... but its really just the matrix winning. Its great. Its just like the machines said... the cycle continues. They left a few humans to survive in Zion, to rebuild it, like always. And they restarted the matrix, so its EXACTLY what the architect said would happen. i haven't seen anyone mention this, so maybe i'm crazy or something.. in the end, when the architect and oracle are talking, she asks what will happen to the ones that were still inside the matrix. he replies they will be let free. and to sort of back that up, the 'matrix' world seemed pretty devoid of activity, and they only 'beings' we see there are the ones we know are programs: the architect, the oracle, seraph, and that little girl. we're not back where we started. what the architect said will happen during reloaded did not happen. all of humanity was left, not just a few in order to rebuild zion. the only deaths were those that happened while the humans were defending the machines offensive. the matrix did not win. the matrix still exists, but its only inhabitants are the programs. yes? no? maybe i missed something. |
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I havent seen the movie yet and I want too so I havent read any of the posts here.... but the temptation is so strong!!! |
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DONT READ THE SPOILERS |
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i think that by hacking all the humans and then getting all blowed up, Smith kinda destroyed everyone still plugged into the matrix aside from a few stragglers or people who managed to hide from him. so what the architecht said would happen kinda did happen right? but for the machines and the people in Zion, it's kinda a win/win situation because Smith is destroyed and the war ends for a while. well i'm seeing it again on IMAX on the 15th, i'll have to pay closer attention. |
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i think that by hacking all the humans and then getting all blowed up, Smith kinda destroyed everyone still plugged into the matrix aside from a few stragglers or people who managed to hide from him. that's a good point. it's possible that he'd written himself onto just about everyone in there, though they don't show that explicitly. also, when the 'main' smith exploded, neo was still there. again, they don't show that that happened for all his copies, but one could see how it was possible. but either way you look at it, there is no more matrix with humans hooked up to it, and the bulk of zion still remains, not just a 'few' left to rebuild, etc.. one thing i don't understand is why after neo kills smith for the machines, they don't just continue on destroying the humans. are we to believe they have integrity and honor (it's possible when you think about the conversation between neo and the program family in the train station - they were talking about love)? |
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The way I take it to be is how Dozier stated, that they will all be set free since the architect says this, and also because the matrix looked pretty devoid of activity. I think since Neo was plugged in to the matrix through the machine city, when smith copied into him, it was if the Architect was able to view the entire process and learn how smith was doing it, and essentially worked like one big antivirus program to delete all the copies, including the original. What I dont understand is how the matrix will continue to exist without people in it, since the machines need humans for food. Either the architect was alright with the machine city slowly starving to death, or it really did happen like the end of the 2nd one, and there were still people plugged in. One thing that didnt make sense to me was the mech-warrior type defense that zion had. If they had the technology to make those things, why wouldnt they make the cockpit enclosed in armor as well, since the sentinals didnt even have any kind of projectile offense, all they had was their leg-things! Another thing I didn't understand about any of the movies is how the people that were freed from the matrix managed to build that city.. Where did they get the materials, and more importantly, KNOWLEDGE and tools to build such a thing? Howabout those ships, or the weapons? Even in the matrix the tech was at present-day level, meaning they wouldnt even have knowledge they learned in the matrix of how to do such a thing. Personally I expected Zion to be more like a medieval city than a futuristic colony. |
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as far as how did zion look like that, and have all that technology... well, the machines didnt destroy mankind... there where survivors from the war... the people who survived created zion... the people who escaped the matrix where just bonus citizens. |
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yeah, I guess that's true. |
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?? but.. but.. any survivor's from the original war and their decendants have most likely been wiped out, because we know that zion has been destroyed and rebuilt 5 times, but just a relative handful of people. (wasn't around 20 or so??). so, i don't see how any knowledge could've been passed down through 'human' history. i think that the machines must have set up the humans with technology and materials either directly or indirectly everytime zion was rebuilt. remember, it's there because the machines need it to be. they're going to insure that we're able to survive and thrive. as far as why the mechs didn't have any armor, that's a good question. i can't see an explanation for that. |
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rebuilt 5 times, but just a relative handful of people. but=by |
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one interesting thing about the mechs.. if i remember correctly, they are the same as the ones shown in the animatrix, right? the ones that were used in the original war? maybe the way we see zion in the movies is the way it was set up by the machines each time, in that case, we really may not have the knowledge or materials to improve upon anything that was originally left there for us in the first place. |
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one question i have is, what was that little symbol of code that fades into the rest of the code at the very beginning of the movie? was that the smith virus? or was that neo in the matrix? oh and to answer the "how will the matrix exist with out the human energy source" question: i think that since the machines still have the human farms, they will probably just start all over farmin fetuses, thus repeating the cycle. |
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oh and to answer the "how will the matrix exist with out the human energy source" question: i think that since the machines still have the human farms, they will probably just start all over farmin fetuses, thus repeating the cycle. that's definately a possibility. they never said they wouldn't do that. and if they didn't, then there wouldn't be any point to keeping the matrix around anyway. as far as the symbol goes, it didn't really strike me as being anything in particular. i think it just had the general shape that was needed, because that came after fading out of the city and the buildings and stuff were taking a general shape. or something. |
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Yeah I think you're right about that.. evolume: Yes, but doing so would mean that the architect was lying, because he said that all the remaining people will be freed. The remark he made after the Oracle asked him if she had his word -- I took that to mean that lying is a human virtue since computers only work in facts, mainly mathematics, and mathematics is a study and science of truth. So basically I think he really was going to let all the humans go. |
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no, he said hed let all the humans go, that WANTED to go |
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he never said they wouldn't add more humans, he just said he'd let the ones that were already a part of the matrix go free. afterall, the machines are going to make sure they can survive. i just had an interesting thought. since the first movie, there's been a lot of hubaloo about the idea that the machines needed humans for energy and that the logic didn't really work out, anyway. well, what if this kinda wasn't true. i mean, what if they do it because they just despise us? what if they do it for their entertainment? is there more to the machines than is revealed. afterall, many of the programs we meet in the matrix (including smith) exhibit very human like characteristics.. just a thought. |
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Well, all the programs exhibit very human like characteristics. They are supposed to be the programmed out form of the entire human psyche, they're supposed to be human, so much so that the people in the matrix can't tell the difference. It always seemed to me that Smith was really just crazy about his hatred for the human race, and that most of the robots probably don't really care one way or the other, so long as they have their food. But you could be right. |
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i don't think it ended like the architect said. i mean they didn't left a few habitants of zion to rebuild it... the only ones killed were the ones in the military |
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it didnt end like he said, dont you remember the oracle saying to him at the end something like 'you didnt expect it to happen like this did you?' or words to that effect, then she asks him about the people who want to leave the Matrix, and he says they'll be set free. But how will they know if they want to leave? Will it be up to neos little gang to go offer everyone red/blue pills or what? Also, are we all assuming Neo dies at the end? Im pretty sure he did. I dont see why they had to kill Trinity, i dont think it was a bad idea or a good one, it just seemed a bit pointless as it didnt add or take away anything. |
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"Now we have to live with the fact that it was never more than a cool idea for a movie." - great quote from salon.com |
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another great quote: "take away the special effects and all you have is Keanu Reeves wearing dark sunglasses" |
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oh and it got 1/5 in the review |
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yeah that's great, who was REALLY expecting to see this get an oscar nomination or something? i wasn't, and i loved the movie. people just want to fight the hype because it makes them feel cool and popular and maybe the hot blonde girl will ask them to the prom. |
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bullshit. people want a good film. not an oscar-nominated film, but something with a good plot, decent acting etc. even that's pretty hard to find these days. |
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people don't always want the same thing from every movie they see. so it doesn't do anything for you, that's fine, but i had a good time. and to some extent kochlear is right. there are people who will talk down about this movie because they think it makes them appear cooler. maybe not you, maybe not anyone on this board, but it does happen. |
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The beginning was incredibly dumb, but apart from that I kind of liked the film. And the Dragon Ball rip-off at the end was funny.. |
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well the wachowski's are big anime fans so basically anyone who's a fan of anime usually likes the matrix. most movie critics, however, are not anime fans. |
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i had been worried about the upcoming live action dragonball z movie, but now at least i can see that it can technically been done well, if they want to spend the time and money on it. during the matrix when they were flying around, i was really expecting them to start launching energy bursts and shit. |
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hey, I just wanted everyone to know that this is a really good topic. you want to see what the matrix thread in watmm is like? http://forum.watmm.com/index.php?showtopic=14993 definitely a lot of "cool" people there, by kochlear's definition. |
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they also said star wars and bladerunner was crap. that's when i realized i was wasting my time. |
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i believe there is some truth in that statement. i also think that some people (not all people) watch these movies with their mind made up to hate them from the beginning for a variety of reasons. maybe all their friends hate it; maybe all the people they hate like it; or maybe they just hate keanu reaves because he's so damn good looking. but whatever the reason, it makes it difficult for them to remain objective and just enjoy the film for what it is: a stylish action sci-fi film. Rather than focusing on all of it's shortcomings. I would say, even T2, argueably one of the best Sci-Fi action movies ever, suffered from several shortcomings. (broken physics, Ed Furlong's bad acting, campy dialogue) but then again, everyone has their own opinion of what constitutes a good movie. and one man's opinion does not necessarily make him a better movie critic than someone with a differing opinion. I'm sure everyone, EVERYONE, has some guilty pleasure, some crappy movie that they are embarrased to admit to liking. for me it's The Cutting Edge that ice skating movie. "toe pick" sad sad i know. |
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well the matrix series got NOTHIN on Blade runner, that's for sure. |
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Weird Science. yes, it's stupid. but I like it. and there are plenty more where that came from. |
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