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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-10-17 09:17 [#00905640]
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I've been thinking about eyes and ears lately. I used to sorta visualize time and music as one dimensionalish because of it's seemingly strict linear nature. But now I think it's just that the nature of our ears makes us percieve it that way (because obvioiusly when you strike a cymbol, sound travels outward from it in all directions ie 3d)
To explain what I mean, consider the way eyes and ears comparatively function (as far as my limited understanding at least). Eyes have many cones and rods set up in a 2d network to collect information in the form of light. Ears on the other hand only have one single vibrating bone as far as I know. So try thinking what it would be like if it was opposite. Suppose we only had one "vibrating bone" or "cones" or whatever to sense light for each eye. Or suppose that we had many vibrating bones for each ear. Should the experience of listening and seeing be fundamentally different, and reversed in terms of sensory power. After all light and sound are both just waves as far as I know even though ones a much higher frequency. It would be very weird to experience "3 dimensional hearing" with some sort of new organ that sensed with many individual "vibrating bones" working together as eyes do now. Plus with 2 ears, perhaps there'd be something similar to stereoscopic hearing which would be super weird 3-d or something.
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bill_hicks
from my city is amazing it is calle on 2003-10-17 09:20 [#00905645]
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i've got a vibrating bone.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-10-17 09:28 [#00905655]
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pruff 9 p ppp zuf zuf gish sogh moo
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Oddioblender
from Fort Worth, TX (United States) on 2003-10-17 09:35 [#00905667]
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what's funny is that scientists still don't know why music is so appealing to the human brain - they have many theories though, but they're undecided as to which is correct.
one theory is that music is the call of a clan or family, and that apes would beat their chests / prehistoric humans would play primitive instruments before war to scare their opponents, or to show their strength as a group.
it's also considered that music is pleasurable since it was quite likely - along with dancing - part of prehistoric mating rituals and celebratory events.
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nanotech
from Sukavasti Amitaba Pureland (United States) on 2003-10-17 10:11 [#00905704]
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i say it's the math behind music that's so appealing. listening to a sequence that follows the rules of certian modes rather than other modes. or hearing a certian pattern of booming deep bass sounds. Music is to relative to ever come to an accurate conclusion. If i were to submit a child to live in a box where all he hear was it's own sound, and japanese noise...what would he say about the "structured" music we listen to?
but then again, i personally like NON tonal sounds better.
it's just a sence really, all of the mathematical computations that the mind goes through to evaulate your physical posistion in your environment based on the echoes emminating off of it. What about your other sences? cant you feel the tingle of a vibration? isn't that hearing? and can you not, "hear" or feel someone's "vibe?"
The ambience of life, the best "mode" in the universe.
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pOgO
from behind your belly button fluff on 2003-10-17 10:15 [#00905711]
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<---- my eye
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-10-17 12:17 [#00905832]
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correction: "I've been thinking about eyes and ears lately."
was supposed to be:
"I've been thinking about peni and poop lately.'
sorry abou t the confusino rf
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2003-10-17 12:55 [#00905896]
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Just having many rods and cones set up in a 2d network doesn't give you 3d vision. Your brain can infer the third dimension after you have used your eyes for a while, but unless you have two eyes at different positions that can focus at the same place, the third 'depth' dimension isn't there (try playing hacky sack or something with one eye)
Sound for us is two dimensional, since you can interpret position (either left or right of you) by the delay that it takes the sound to get from one ear to the other; that's the only way your brain knows what direction sound is coming from.
I think dolphins actually have a focusing 'lens' of fluid roughly in this shape () in their forehead so perhaps their echo location can give a more detailed 2d 'picture' in sonic waves. I've also heard the lens helps to focus the chirps and noises they use for echo location, and it can actually stun small fish.
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pOgO
from behind your belly button fluff on 2003-10-17 13:05 [#00905907]
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I've also heard the lens helps to focus the chirps and noises they use for echo location, and it can actually stun small fish.
That's true
They also use their echo as stimulation during sex and as an x-ray in some cases
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horsefactory
from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2003-10-17 13:08 [#00905910]
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www.dolphinsex.org
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nacmat
on 2003-10-17 13:11 [#00905917]
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lately I ve been thinking about my tongue.... I hurt it all the time
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2003-10-17 13:17 [#00905924]
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muff burn?
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