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it's weird... how i can tell that for example, if i could choose how much happiness and how much beauty i'd like in my life, i'd trade some happiness for some beauty and wouldn't choose 100% happiness... also how some people would prefer truth to happiness... isn't happiness what we're all striving for? ' _ ' probably, people think that truth and beauty are ways to give them more happiness than just choosing happiness could give them... - but if i could choose 100%, maximal happiness, cannot get any more - i'd still trade some for beauty... is my mind defect? (well, yes, it is, but... you know what i mean : P) can't i even imagine the concept of maximal happiness, do i refuse it? or... are beauty and truth forms of happiness by themselves? maybe... it may be just to "vary the pleasures" that we may want to trade some happiness for beauty or truth (or something else that is not happiness)... but... if beauty is some form of happiness, then what is it that we call simply "happiness"? ^ the kind of rubbish questions i'd ask myself, and someone will just say one sentence explaining it all, or explaining why it doesn't make sence, etc. so simply and like an evidence, and either i won't understand it, either i'll be disappointed by the explanation, and anyway i will feel stupid. meh. =/ will go to eat and wash myself now. |
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truth doesnt have to be exclusive from happiness.. but happiness will have you face anything |
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If someone is genuinely happy you see it in their face. And that makes them beautiful. Uzim, i think you have answered. Beauty isnt how society has defined it..its how you see it and youre beautiful :) |
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first sentence, exactly :) |
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put like a scholar. |
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I choose happyness its all about that |
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awwww,thank you. |
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Or you could just complete your cravings for happiness according ... IE : "I want a girlfriend!" go get one "I want a lot of money" Go steal some or get a nice job "I wish I didnt live here" MOVE. You have the power to do what you want. Beleive me... |
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haha are you encouraging someone to steal money to get more of it? bad bad bad :P Want more money, get more than one job. |
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I wish I inherited a large sum of money from grandparents. Damn people didnt even live in the states. |
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i just wanna be hot |
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Choosing 100% happiness might get a little boring after a while - not that you'd know though, since you'd be happy about it. I assume that by choosing 100% happiness you'd be happy in any situation you're in, therefore it would be independent of any external variables. Beauty and truth are most likely to be found in things not of yourself (though they could be found in yourself; however, this could just be viewed as happiness as it really doesn't differ much - it's all internal). By finding beauty and truth from external sources, you take part of them and add them to yourself, causing growth and change, which could add to your happiness. I think that choosing to have a bit of truth and beauty is a more honorable approach as it shows that you wish to grow as a human as opposed to remaining static as might be the case if you chose 100% happiness. |
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i just want to be a musician, and have some people respect me for it. That's all. And perhaps someone else to share my happiness with. |
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what if your happiness causes other people pain? |
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that's a good point - if you get happiness from murdering people, then maybe happiness isn't the road for you. |
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Then : -you don't care because you're happy anyway. or -you stop being happy and the problem is solved. |
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(I mean : "you stop being happy because you see the others' pain") |
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but how long can you turn your back on your own happiness if it is within your reach? |
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100% non-stop happiness would be like having a lobotomy... there would BE no truth, and no real beauty (as there would be nothing to compare it with)... it'd be a disturbing way to exist, put it that way. |
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I think it depends on why the other humans are feeling pain. If they're feeling pain because they're jealous of your happiness or by some other indirect fashion then I see nothing wrong with what you're doing - their pain is a result of their selves. Though, if you are directly hurting them and deriving your happiness from that then you're most definitely wrong as you're directly contributing to the unhappiness of others, just as it would be wrong (unfair) if someone else caused you pain in order to obtain their happiness. I'm sure if you explored (with an open and healthy mind) every other existing activity or idea, you can find something else you can achieve happiness with other than hurting people - it might not be the easiest or most accessable option, but it is the most fair as just as you hold your freedom to be happy as important, others do too; therefore they should not interfere with each other as it could decrease the chances of each. |
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dariusgriffin > but the most often, it is something in-between... unless you're totally altruist, or totally egoistic... you're quite happy but you have scruples, you can't deny your happiness but still feeling guilty... |
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its a tricky question cause theres two ways to look at happiness as it being a peak, or, as something more deep seated. theres a challenge in there :) |
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thats why its something to strive for. a more meaningful happiness than a fleeting encounter |
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truth > happiness |
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i have good balance in my life right now, for once. it feels like i'm balancing spinning plates on sticks, tedious and fragile. |
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But don't some people derive hapiness from their own pain? |
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Is it really pain if it makes you happy? In my opinion, deriving happiness from your own pain is just fine - it affects only you. |
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truth -> happiness ? |
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greater than; did you take math in school? |
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yeah, calculus :) but what do you think? |
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