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I have touched this !!!! Its beautiful , great , BIG , and fuckin expensive - 1500 pounds ( UK ) . I wonder if i ever buy this one btw, anyone knows how it sounds ? |
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You're considering spending £1500 on something you don't know the sounds of?! |
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I think it's fake mate. Never heard of Roiland :P |
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well if i only had 1500 - yes its Roland , you dont have to know how it sounds - roland always sounds good im considering buying this one next year , while my staying in Edinburgh.( sound control ) i wanted to buy Korg vocoder ( looks pretty ) but i had no time to check it shame , isnt it ? |
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fuck me , you must heard about roland , all acid stuf is ( was ? ) maked on it actually i have old TR 707 - still it sounds perfect |
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It is a shame you didn't get to listen. I love hearing equipment being tested. Have you tried going to their website? They may have audio samples up. |
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I've heard of Roland for sure but not Roiland. |
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well , i dont believe in samples on web - its good when i listen to it , samples may be fake , besides - its a difference when you listen to it live and from PC , even with good sound card i wil buy it next year ( probably ) |
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heh , right - im too horny when i think about it , my hands are shakin' |
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You've got a good point there. It'd be a starting point though. Horny over music tech? Wow. |
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well i shpould say excited instead of horny , but who cares ? hands are shakin' in the same way :) |
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:) |
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Nooo! Steer clear of it if I were you... Only my opinion of course - But old Roland gear is essential: TR909, 808, TB303, etc... But their modern (digital) range is just trying to cash in on the old gear - MC909 will just be another MC303 clone - They're just bog standard digital things - Just like a cheap old dance module with an analogue(ish) step-sequencer. I mean, they're not bad, good fun, but not serious music making tools - More intended for kids to mess around with.. They've got a cheesey casio/home keyboard sound to them. Most modern Roland gear is pretty piss poor to be honest - Only my opinion of course. But for £1500 you could buy a REAL TB303 and TR909 - Which would be an amazing investment! |
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i have TR 707 so i wont double it , its more possible to get TB303 , but in other way - getting full version of Rebirth is much cheaper |
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Roland always sounds good? Musta missed that memo.... Although the 909 got some decent reviews... I wouldnt touch it with a 10 foot pole. If its anything like the 303, it can go fuck its self. The 303 sucks so much (it was my first ever "synth") |
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eh, that sounded kind of harsh. i just dont like roland all IMO |
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The Roland Groove crap is horrible. You can do tracks with an MC-909, but really, for 1500 there are way better and more flexible instruments available. It all depends on if you want one box to do it all. -P |
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yeah , i know that it has good points as well as bad ones , but i i dont know...its just messing my head now... |
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Ha ha it wasn't till I read your post I realised Hyakusan was on about an mc 909. That's precisely the sort of trick the naming convention pulls... I had asssumed it was a TR909 you were talking about and I did think 1500 was expensive for it. For £1500 you could get a brilliant sound card for you PC, loads of extra ram and a kick ass midi controller. And if you're going the hardware route, yep original old roland stuff would be sweet! My plan this year is to work like a bitch at university (last year) get a first or at least a 2:1 then use this as a bartering chip for a higher starting wage so I'll be able to get all the stuff I've had to put on hold this year :D |
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The only real problem with the modern digital grooveboxes is that they have a fundamentally weak toy-like sound. The programming and everything is cool - But yeah, for £1500 there are much better things to spend your money on! I love the old TR707's and I'm personally a big fan of the TB303 (Rebirth actually sounds nothing like a real 303 - It sounds like someone's idea of what an acidy 303 line in a typical hardhouse track might sound like - It's a bit of a clique really - The real 303 has an incredibly powerful sound for such a simple synth). But the real 303 needs quite a lot of experimentation to get good results from it - Like messing with guitar fx pedals - Another classic trick is to sample 303 loops and slow them down in a sampler - it adds a certain quality to the sound. I really can't get good enough results out of Rebirth and I find the programming too fiddly and awkard myself. For £1500 you could buy a monster Analogue Systems modular system (with custom EMS Synthi filters) and a real analogue step-time sequencer. Now that would be something else! Almost unlimited potential and incredible sounds. |
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heh |
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Hehe yeah, it's so cheeky Roland pulling those stunts - I mean most people won't know enough about old synths - So they'll see a brand new MC909 and think "Wow! The 909! I must get it".. Such a scam if you ask me! |
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I have noticed you need to put the 303 sound from re-birth into an overdrive plugin to get that anywhere near that same sort of power from it... I started out on early re-birth so I've always liked it, but compare it to the sound of a real 303 (I don't have one, but I've heard a real one) it's just too weak. A real one is one of the things on my "equipment to get" list. |
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i dont think that any software , even for 1500 could be compared to hardware , even to this MC909 ....still i think that for 1500 this machine cant be weak...although you pout new light on problem for me it needs to be re-thinked i see |
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Yeah that's exactly it - You'd think for £1,500 it'd have to sound amazing! Sometimes the look and cost of some of these new machine can be VERY deceiving! And sometimes it's really hard to know what qualities to look for in a synth/processor until to actually comes to trying to get them to sit well in a mix. I've got a top of the range Roland XV module (was about £1500 when I bought it new) - It's pretty useful, I do use it from time to time and it's done me well - But the sound from a cheap 80's Roland D-20 is actually much nicer! Much more useable - Althouh less flexible - And then, obviously an even older & cheaper Roland Juno sounds even better still. What makes it even harder is that a lot of magazines out there have to keep their advertisers happy so they'll feed you a lot of misinformation! |
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If you have an XV module then you probably have loads of great Juno samples in it. I tried the JV-1080 when it came out and the Juno presets in it are very good. I think the D-20 niceness comes from the low-fi sample quality, those 80's modules sound sweet. I had an MC-303 for a week, borrowed from a friend, and it was just utter shit on its own. A good effects box can get anything to sound full and good, but I wouldn't use the 909 as a standalone box. |
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Yeah the XV's got loads of Juno samples - Which are actually pretty useable! I used to use the XV as my main synth/module for quite a few years - Was really good for when I was doing regular housey/jazzy music. But the Juno sounds in the XV don't actually sound anything like a Juno atall!?! I've got a Juno 106 that I use on just about everything I do, and it's got the kind of sound that just can't be copied by anything... In the XV they sample loads of raw waveforms off classic synths, but the real thing that 'made' the classic synths was usually the filter, and it seems like Roland hadn't thought of that. But yeah, on my Roland there are MC202 basses, Juno leads, Jupiter pads, etc.. all synths I've owned/own - And they don't really sound remotely like the synth they're trying to be - I think it's a case of Roland trying to use their past/great reputation to full effect really. |
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I have a 106 too and there's certainly no way you can copy the chorus. Damn it's noisy on setting II :) Also, the 106 has a feature that most £2000 synths don't even have, which is polyphonic portamento. I suppose when they sample the old gear, they try to make the samples as clean as possible. That's probably one cause and that with samples you are dealing with static sound running through a digital filter. The analog nuances and imperfections are long gone by then. I wish I had bought a Juno-106 as my first synth, instead of the horror that is the Ensoniq SQ1+. |
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Funny enough the Juno 106 was my first analogue synth - Think I got one back in 1994 - Mainly because I was really into Autechre and they used it so heavily on their first three albums... I actually sold it after a while because I couldn't get the kinds of sounds I was really after - Then years and years later you realise that those simple analogue sounds are absolutely essential, so I had to buy myself another Juno! I love it so much - If I've got a sound in my head the chances are it won't be able to reproduce it - Cos it's so simple - But for pure inspirational bass sounds, textures and synthetic pads it is unbeatable! In fact everything I've written this year has the Juno pretty much carrying the whole track. |
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