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i believe in .. [ ] heaven [ ] hell [x] 'some' kind of existence after death [ ] god [ ] anything church related [x] there is a soul [x] there is a universe [x] i interfer with a 'reality' which is part of the universe [ ] there is a sense in life apart from what i put in [x] i do like my ottakringer beer right besides me yours please |
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nothing rreally. |
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be honest, man |
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i mean it, i'm numb to it all |
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well, i believe you |
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none of the above |
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i believe in anus's beard. Not his anus beard ... oh god, this is gonna get mixed up |
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these are just suggestions |
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[ ] heaven [ ] hell [ ] 'some' kind of existence after death: not really... though i still have a bit of hope... [ ] god: not as a person. maybe as a force, like the gravitation force, or something that we cannot imagine. but no way an old white bearded man with an eyed triangle on his head or something like that! - mermaids are more likely to exist. : ) [ ] anything church related: i believe that church has made some good and some bad things... but well "anything church related" is too much of a vague question, you could also believe that the pope is old and going to die and that would make you check the box... [-] there is a soul: somehow. but maybe it is nothing but interneuronal connexions and other material things... [x] there is a universe: well, of course there is! and maybe there are more than one... i hope there are more than one! : ) [x] i interfer with a 'reality' which is part of the universe: eh? i think yes... but... i'm not sure i understand the question o_O if i didn't check the box that would mean i do not do anything at all? [ ] there is a sense in life apart from what i put in: to reproduce..? but... that's not what i'd call a sense. [ ] i do like my ottakringer beer right besides me yours please: i don't like beer that much... |
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gwar |
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I agree with what you said about God. |
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1 heaven, as a state of being 1 hell, as a state of being 0 afterlife, wont be a reality for me until i find out 1 god, yes gods exist 0 not anything church related, ive gleaned from various faiths 1 soul/spirit, yes 1 universe 0 reality isnt part of the universe, it Is the universe 1 yes ive inherited much from my family 1 gin and tonic with a slice of lemon :) |
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1 gin and tonic with a slice of lemon that is nice too |
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i believe in .. [ ] heaven [ ] hell [ ] 'some' kind of existence after death [ ] god [ ] anything church related [ ] there is a soul [x] there is a universe [ ] i interfer with a 'reality' which is part of the universe [ ] there is a sense in life apart from what i put in [ ] i do like my ottakringer beer right besides me |
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doo doo dee doo da [ ] heaven [ ] hell [ ] 'some' kind of existence after death [ ] god [ ] anything church related [ ] there is a soul [x] there is a universe [huh? explain please] i interfer with a 'reality' which is part of the universe [ ] there is a sense in life apart from what i put in |
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[x] a woman will put her whole hand into her rectum for money |
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i believe in .. [ ] heaven (i don't think that the definition of heaven can be assumed to be agreed upon...) [ ] hell (see heaven) [x] 'some' kind of existence after death (this is unquestionably a fact) [ ] god (see heaven) [ ] anything church related (i don't really know what you mean by this) [ ] there is a soul (see heaven) [x] there is a universe (i would prefer "there seems to be a universe") [ ] i interfer with a 'reality' which is part of the universe (not really sure what you mean) [ ] there is a sense in life apart from what i put in (even less sure what you mean) [ ] i do like my ottakringer beer right besides me |
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"[x] 'some' kind of existence after death (this is unquestionably a fact)" how is that by any stretch of the definition, a fact? |
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i didn't intend to provoke a confrontation with that statement. but i will say, it *is* a fact. can i demonstrate to you why? do i have an answer for those who claim it is arrogant, or presumptuous, or closed-minded, to observe (when asked) that it is a fact? have you ever known anything for which you possessed no persuasive evidence to demonstrate the validity of this knowledge to others? are there facts which are not widely accepted? or facts shrouded in misunderstanding, half-truths, superstition? in this case, i will assert that yes, i do know that this is a fact. i feel that i am bound to assert this fact to anyone that asks. many, many people will not believe me, some will be angered, some mildly irritated, some indifferent. why would i care? but it's fun to talk about, isn't it? |
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so you go around spouting off 'it's a fact i tell you!' without having any reason? I think most people call that a belief; that is-- believing something without having a basis for that something in reality |
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what makes you think i don't have a reason? what makes you believe that my assertion is not based in reality? at the very least, you do not know. i think it's good to know that your experience does not end with the death of your body. i do think it's useless to blindly believe this. i realize that people do assert all sorts of ridiculous ideas from time to time. again, i think it is important (for reasons beyond the scope of this messageboard) to assert positively this fact, *when asked*. |
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fine, tell me how it is a fact then |
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ask yourself, "why am i so concerned about this? why do i accuse someone of "spouting off" (it's not "good" to "spout off" you know) for sharing their opinion? what motivates me to be emotionally involved in this issue?" why not say, "this person says he believes that he knows something that i believe he cannot know" and move on? you can accept that someone might disagree with you, but if they assert as fact something that you cannot accept, especially with a controversial issue, you hear them saying "you are wrong, incorrect, invalid, ignorant, etc." you want to either prove me wrong, or you want me to admit that i do not know what i claim to know. after all, you can't react emotionally to what i say and then claim that you don't care about what i say, can you? |
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have you ever known anything for which you possessed no persuasive *immediate* evidence to demonstrate the validity of this knowledge to others? i'm sorry if i seem glib or unhelpful. i don't mean to be. i'm afraid that you ask me to paint a picture (whatever your motivation) that is far beyond the scope of the canvas we're sharing. certainly, if anyone could say, "look, here's the evidence, pretty black and white that your experience will continue beyond the death of your body," they would have done so. note that humans have operated the scientific method as a means of systematic inquiry for only a few hundred years. how old is mankind? how old is the earth? how old is the universe? a successful scientist is a patient scientist. my advice to those who want this question answered is as follows. first, i would suggest that you view the issue as unresolved, and instead of drawing a line in the sand, "i don't believe," try an agnostic, open-minded perspective. accept that you do not know. if you really want to know, then think to yourself, honestly and unselfconsciously, "i want to know, will my experience continue beyond the death of my body?" return to this idea occasionally, and meditate on it for a few moments. do not obsess over it. ask yourself, "who can i trust? who do i trust?" and "what do i really know, that i did not learn from other people?" and "who is the person that knows?" |
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okay, "sharing their opinion" ‚ presenting a fact. I'm glad we cleared that up, you should keep that in mind in the future. |
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*those boxes should be a "does not equal" sign |
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what i believe to be a fact, as you prefer. |
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facts aren't defined by 'beliefs' or 'opinion', they are defined by 1. reasoning 2. logic and 3. reality; beliefs and opinions by definition cannot make something a fact. |
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I believe in Erroneus. |
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