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im really having problems understanding why this kind of music is so unpopular... so can someone answer this: why is bjork selling millions and aphex (not to speak of so many others) only thousands?? does it have anything to do with lyrics/vocals?? why?? |
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well lets just call everything electronic music for now, bjorks tracks are not as harsh as say aphex's trx. therefor more people accept / buy bjorks music. and yeah a lot of its to do with vocals as well. |
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Partly down to bjork's high-recognition factor (she used to be A LOT more mainstream) and possibly marketing budget (don't get me wrong, i love bjork). But partly due to the fact that most people in the street would find her music a lot easier to listen to (strong melodies, vocals etc). Think about smojphace vs vespertine... |
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yeah, like how many people could you imagine listening to ventolin at a club, as opposed to a nice pretty bjork song? |
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idm isn't marketable |
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IDM is marketed. |
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everything is marketable |
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a lot of people like radiohead cos they're the commercial side of the dark uncommercial underbelly |
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that is all true, but there are plenty of afx tunes that are a lot more acceptable to some of bjork songs, but i guess people just give it one try - if they're lucky they check something like lets say saw1, and if they're not something like smojphace...but i was thinking someone that is into bjork, i'd imagine would want to know more similar music and would want to see who was bjork influenced by, who produces her albums, etc. |
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IDM is based around a do-it-yourself ethos, so it is harder to market. Not impossible, (everything is for sale at some level, usually losing its soul in the process) but much harder than bjork... she has the same kind of sound but less of the geekcore bedroom feel, so hence is easier to market to the mainstream. And also, it helps she's staggeringly beautiful :D |
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bjork's music is a more successful memetic replicator in people's minds |
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I like Radiohead because it's a great band. |
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"IDM" means market |
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reading this and thinking about it makes me belive that majority of bjork fans are not listening to her music for the music it self, but for some reasons i dont know about, could be cos its trendy to listen to her, cos she's popular, cos some find her attractive,... but if they would care about musical part idm would surely be more popular |
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yes Bjork is ubertrendy and thats a fact. |
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IDM is not popular because ppl doesnt understand it , properly and its non-commercial bjork is |
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this sounds just way too silly so basically her fans care about what kind of dress is she wearing but they dont care who's producing her music... brilliant |
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dont generalize. i promise you a lot of them do, while surely most of them dont |
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IDM isn't popular because it has no proper vocals or traditional form. |
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what distinguishes idm from electronic music? |
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its popular, its background music of many shows and commercials, its not marketed as music but as background music |
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a lot=100.000 out of 10.000.000? brilliant |
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How elitist. |
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dont get offensive, as you know, the same thing goes with rock n roll, rnb and what have you. just trying to make a discussion. i just said bjork is ubertrendy and she is. |
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Aphex is deliberately under-marketed. All those guys are - Otherwise Aphex would have blown up in the mainstream back in the days of Donkey Rhubarb and On, and be considered very out-of-date now. It's why here releases so much noise and plays breakcore and gabba when he supports Bjork - If doesn't want a mainstream following atall - And as a result his popularity will (has) never cease. He's an absolute genius when it comes to self-promotion and marketing - There'll only be one of two Bjork songs that stand the test of time - But I wouldn't be suprised if people were discovering/studying RJ's music hundreds of years from now. |
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Haha, that just sounds like another RJ bumming session... But I do see what he's been doing - Clever bloke - The mainstream are not an audience you want/need... And remember, mainstream music sales are fixed - One shop buys up rcrds from another and another - They get songs to number1 before anyone's even bought a copy. One CD can get 5/6 sales quite easily - It's a big con. |
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most reasonable post so far but still kind of funny why more people doesnt seem to get his stuff, even tho he's playing noise and gabba occasionaly, but there are so many other brilliant tunes that he's into i just find hard to belive, how little true fans of this genre there is...i just cant get it out of my head |
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do you think idm will be mainstream soon? |
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what do you mean "true fans?" |
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it looks to me like it is going to oposite direction pretty fast and will soon be followed just by few hundered...shame |
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so you unwillingly agree with me.. splendor ;).. got to go. good bye everyone :) |
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well, the ones buying idm releases and visiting idm partys |
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"people don't want quality anymore, ok? shit is what they want" |
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" the ones buying idm releases and visiting idm partys" ?! |
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fight and drink ass fuck |
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heh, ok people getting music released by idm artists and people attending music festivals/gigs where idm artists are playing :) |
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dam! i dont like the look of this looks like rich's next full album release will reach no 1 :( sad |
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2001 Drukqs The Billboard 200 No. 154 :) no. 1 on what chart? :) |
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"HO NO, PEOPLE LISTEN TO THE SAME MUSIC HAS ME." |
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HAS = AS You are posting messages too frequently... Please wait a minute! Relax! ! |
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is that mel gibbon in your avatar |
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i heard someone on this MB or it could have been WATMM saying it would have made rich a total Classic Genius if he died of a drug overdose after releasing windowlicker...... i thought it was an evil thing to say |
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it's not that unpopular.... drukQs was pretty spoken of when it was out, there were a big drukQs poster in a record store i remember... also reviews in magazines everywhere... you have no real difficulty finding Aphex Twin, Autechre, Squarepusher, Boards Of Canada etc. at record stores (well, not all releases are easily findable, but there is almost always some)... i already heard Gantz Graf airing in a Virgin megastore as background music, and Boards Of Canada appear from time to time on TV... it is not as popular as Björk for example for various reasons; you can sing or hum along to a Björk song, unlike with most idm (even though there are always exceptions); Björk is easier to get into than idm, it is more "organic"/sensual, not mechanical robotic or cold (not all electronic is robotic nor cold! but in the mind of most people, it is... and even when liking it, no electronic could beat the feelings of "Hunter" or "Jòga" for example...); you always know what Björk is kinda about (unlike Aphex Twin, who changes all the time), even though there are style changes Björk does have her identity... yet it doesn't sound boring nor too similar (which Autechre or Boards Of Canada can be, i do not say it is in the absolute but depending on your mood and on people's tastes, it is more likelyy to sound boring than Björk imo...); electronic music among "neophytes" often has the reputation to be dumb and repetitive music for ravers, and/or experimental electronic to be dumb glitches and noises without any interest, only for geeks (like, "i'm listening to music which makes the same noise as my modem or my hard drive searching")... |
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i have to agree with the death thing death has done more for people than where they were alive eg jim morrison |
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come on, if that happened we'd never get to hear drukqs!!! |
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i agree with what you're saying, but if at least 5% of her fans would care about the music part idm would be much more popular as for the availability of records: when a new idm release somes out there are like 2 or so copies in some record shops when a new bjork album is released there are hundred's available at every gas station... |
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but if he had died then we also wouldn't of had to hear smojphace |
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it seems like a lot of it is generally difficult to dance to. the absence of lyrics may be another factor, as almost all popular music is done with a mic. |
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bjork is so unbelieveably shit |
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