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nobsmuggler
from silly mid-off on 2003-10-05 12:34 [#00890153]
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yeah you would he apparently made most of it all that time ago and one of his family would have released it for him for cash
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2003-10-05 12:36 [#00890161]
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ah thank god for unbiased well argumented opinions eh :P
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2003-10-05 12:48 [#00890174]
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ah but come on, the only halfway decent bjork songs i've heard (2 in total) are remixes (a funkstorung one and a dillinja one).
she needs to be given a good kick to the head. </opinion>
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2003-10-05 12:51 [#00890183]
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i like bjork and i was into her music before i was into rdj's, just saying this if i wasnt clear about it :)
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J Swift
from United Kingdom on 2003-10-05 14:32 [#00890301]
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You gotta remember charts only tell you how fast something sells - If everyone bought Druqks in the first week (like mainstream pop kids do) it'd easily reach number 1 in any chart.
Selling 30,000 in a week usually gets you a number one in the UK (I think that's right!) - You can prolly get there on a lot less.
Just a different kind of market in our scene - If IDM was in the charts and had commerical pressure, imagine consultants, etc... we'd all move on to Avant Garde or some other new scene would spring up, even more leftfield and unapproachable than the last.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2003-10-05 14:38 [#00890311]
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ok, charts are not something to judge by... but when it comes to final sellings idm artists are nowhere compared to more popular artists
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2003-10-05 14:42 [#00890317]
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I wouldn't mind it becoming more popular, wouldn't affect me in the least since I don't watch TV or listen to the radio anyway. So in that respect, it wouldn't be overkill/overplayed. The only IDM album you can buy in the many stores we have in this city is the Richard D. James Album, that's a major pain the ass. Plus I don't know anybody personally that likes this stuff. It's alienating and I'm so cold and lonely and sad.
Although the elitist aspect of it is undeniably fun. The reactions of Good Charlotte fans to Confield or Snares is always entertaining, I don't think I'd want to give that up.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2003-10-05 14:46 [#00890323]
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also you can see how unpopular this scene is when you attend some festival of electronic music - people/fans come from all over the world and the biggest (idm) festivals could attract no more than 10.000 poeple - actually for this many there would really have to be a strong lineup. on the other hand, see any of britney spears concerts and there's surely more than 10.000 attending...btw, i like smaller crowds :)
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2003-10-05 14:50 [#00890329]
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i dont think it would affest me either, but i'd really like to see what people think makes this genre so unpopular...
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2003-10-05 14:52 [#00890334]
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Yeah, there's some BOC songs that you'd think would go over well with the general public (and some that wouldn't... like Devil is in the Details)... but there seems to be some stigma in pop music. No vocals= no chance.
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uzim
on 2003-10-05 14:53 [#00890335]
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i don't know anyone in real life who enjoys idm apart from my brother : )
(but i don't know much people in real life anyway)
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2003-10-05 14:57 [#00890343]
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yes, seems like vocals are pretty important, i know when i played music to people that dont know afx, they seemed to enjoy especially tunes with at least some vocals, like "every day" and such
i'd love to see rdj do a vocal release someday, with tom waits for example :)
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aquagak
from Berlin (Germany) on 2003-10-05 14:58 [#00890345]
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same here uzim
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aquagak
from Berlin (Germany) on 2003-10-05 15:01 [#00890351]
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the australian popularity of afx can be seen over at the big day out 2004 MB do a search and you'll find most of them only know about come to daddy and windowlicker, a few know about drukqs and the rest of rich's work they have no clue
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2003-10-06 14:32 [#00891703]
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any more thoughts on this?
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Spikee Dragon
from Newcastle (United Kingdom) on 2003-10-06 15:11 [#00891768]
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J Swift pretty much had it covered here I think.
The pop chart consists of tracks that are forced exposure. Big record labels are more like companies producing products that they can afford to advertise on TV. The common denominator will buy the tracks with the most exposure like you buying a can of pepsi every day but not having a clue what cappy tastes like because you have not yet sought an alternative for any reason. Braindance, AFX and the like are craftsmen, they produce tracks that are very complicated with new sounds and styles. Pepsi don't give a shit that you are drinking sugar and caffeine as much as EMI don't mind that you are buying wanked out pop tracks. Because you grow up hearing the music with the most exposure when you are suddenly given a drill n bass track to listen to you most likely won't be able to comprehend it for a while unless you are sharp enough to. But IDM does not equal the underground, you have so many more forms of music that don't touch the charts also.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2003-10-06 17:00 [#00891884]
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i understand what you're saying, but really there isnt much of a difference between afx and bjork for someone not so much into this type of music...except for vocals ofcourse
looks like its all up to promotion then...i mean what would happen if afx signed for a big record company? if they were promoting his music would it get more popular? according to what you say it would and that is a thought i can live with :)
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